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01-18-2014, 05:43 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by bretthull
Don't listen to the recruiters. They told me I'd upgrade in 3 years, almost 3 years later and I'm still on reserve. Every airline I've interviewed at the recruiters spill nothing but BS about how new planes are just around the corner and things will be better than ever. None of them have been right.
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01-18-2014, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Waaaait aaaaa minute.. Aren't we supposed to get 170 yes thats 170 airframes- E175's with this new proposal provided we vote yes? If that happens, upgrades will drop to 2-3 yrs and flow thru will move faster.
But vote NO, and???? well who knows……
But vote NO, and???? well who knows……
01-18-2014, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bretthull
Watch...it'll be 170 airframes total for the entire airline. No upgrades, stagnation will persist. I have no hope for this place.
01-18-2014, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Slats
And locked into a 10yr contract when hiring really hits the fan... Good luck...
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01-18-2014, 11:35 AM
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Supply and demand will dictate pilot wages no matter if you sign a 10 year or a 100 year agreement. Provided management wants to keep a company operating (not sure they do in our case) they need pilots to fill the seats. If they can't find pilots compensation must increase.
01-18-2014, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
Supply and demand will dictate pilot wages no matter if you sign a 10 year or a 100 year agreement. Provided management wants to keep a company operating (not sure they do in our case) they need pilots to fill the seats. If they can't find pilots compensation must increase.
01-18-2014, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Slats
If this logic holds true since after all we know they can't fill classes then why are they offering you all concessions and guy like RJpilot voting yes?
I believe economics will ultimately dictate our contracts, we're running towards the end of the economic misfortune our country and companies saw in the 2000s, this coupled with the impending regional pilot shortage will cause either wages/benefits to increase or flow type programs to attract new hires.
This is just my theory, I'm not a smart guy or an economist. I have about as worthless a degree as you can get outside of something aviation related. So I could be completely wrong.
01-18-2014, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
I don't presume to know what management is thinking. My guess is that they think the carrot of a flow and new airplanes will attract new hires even at the proposed pay and benefits.
I believe economics will ultimately dictate our contracts, we're running towards the end of the economic misfortune our country and companies saw in the 2000s, this coupled with the impending regional pilot shortage will cause either wages/benefits to increase or flow type programs to attract new hires.
This is just my theory, I'm not a smart guy or an economist. I have about as worthless a degree as you can get outside of something aviation related. So I could be completely wrong.
I believe economics will ultimately dictate our contracts, we're running towards the end of the economic misfortune our country and companies saw in the 2000s, this coupled with the impending regional pilot shortage will cause either wages/benefits to increase or flow type programs to attract new hires.
This is just my theory, I'm not a smart guy or an economist. I have about as worthless a degree as you can get outside of something aviation related. So I could be completely wrong.
Pilots should be able to see that we are approaching a time when the airlines won't be able to complain about losing so much money as they had in the past. Pilots may also want to remember that the may be able to affect changes desired in their terms and conditions by voting accordingly.
01-19-2014, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
I don't presume to know what management is thinking. My guess is that they think the carrot of a flow and new airplanes will attract new hires even at the proposed pay and benefits.
01-19-2014, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by What
You are not presuming, Pedro himself delivered this message to the MEC a few weeks ago, Kirby said the same things this summer. They are banking that a flow and a guarantee path to mainline will attract the new hires! Now they know compensation is part of it but as we have seen they will open negotiations when they want and not during section 6. They can also increase new hire compensation with a bonus, not just 5k sign on bonus but they can also offer a bonus that pays half on day one and then split the rest over a few years. They are already doing that with the School programs they have and the 10k bonus... There are many ways to skin a cat.
Also, if their plan for hiring is to use the flow as a carrot we shouldn't be giving concessions to secure the flow. If they mean to keep Eagle operational they need pilots, whether they want us to remain operational is anyone's guess.
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