samballs

Anyone voting yes, needs to be dropped off in the hills of Afghanistan.

eaglefly

I think they'll be unable to skin that cat this time. The college programs can only move so many pilots through them during 4 year cycles and even at max rate, it's a drop in the bucket for what the regionals will need once the legacies start hiring en masse for increasing retirements. They'll need another plan as the legacies will still hire from outside their "career path" regionals and the incentive to flow to your "path" legacy will take way too long for many to see that as their primary motivation. Soon all three legacies will likely have this model, but they'll end up poaching each others regionals as pilots will go to the first legacy that offers them an actual class, seniority number and compensation. Would you pass that up ? Outside programs won't get near the quantity of pilots needed and the quality will be questionable. I think they have run out of ideas and are grasping at straws, but don't realize how ineffective their strategy will be until it manifests itself in technicolor in about 18-24 months.

The regional industry and market share will HAVE to shrink in size, but operate with a much higher percentage of larger 76-seat RJ's. At any rate, once Envoy pilots vote in their latest annual concessionary contract, the pay rates and projected time frame to advance to a legacy airline will not attract many high school seniors (or their parents paying the bills) to shell out another $50-75,000 in college costs vs. saving that debt and going into another profession that starts out at 2-3 times what $25,000/year regional pilots start out at........and with half the debt. At this point, it's time to watch the idiots who had a good run wringing out pilots like dish rags for the last 25 years finally face their chickens coming home to roost. At some point in the future after the majority of the morons flying for Envoy have already dropped to their knees for management and agreeing to commit financial seppuku yet again, they'll feel even stupider for doing that when they then realize what kind of leverage they would have had, if they had identified the real pickle these mental midgets in airline management were facing in the near future.

lakehouse

Eagle fly, your wrong thinking it will pass, it won't.

PilotJ3

I hope you're right.

flyguy94

I hope you guys get a facebook page going. One reason here at ExpressJet that the contract failed so miserable was the power of social media.

eaglefly

I'd be very happy and pleased to be wrong, believe me.

Bzzt

If they offer 170 aircraft I absolutely guarantee it passes and by a wide margin.

eaglefly

Yes, a large percentage of the pie-eyed pilots there would go for a shiny candy wrapper (shiny jets) oblivious to the fact the candy tastes like **** (bottom-tier pay/bennies).

Heck, even some the senior pilots there who know better like RJ are ready to lick the AIP because they think the center of the tootsie pop will taste good at least for him.

I say at least half have their tongues out ready to go and that will be enough.

Reservist

Voting No regardless of airframe total.

I don't think it wil happen, because this is all fear mongering, but the best deal is the 60% flow that kicks in when they start furloughing.

CaptainNameless

So Envoy wants to cap FO pay at 4 yrs...? Is this for all FOs or just new hires? Is it a B-Scale tied to recovering (hypothetical) training funds or some sort of increased student loan funding that the airlines know is going to have to happen soon? An indentured servant type deal? Or are they just raping and pillaging?