Where will the American Eagle airplanes go?
02-13-2014 | 08:19 AM
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What is historically inaccurate about it?
1. AAG approached Eagle last summer and asked for a "B-scale." (more like a C-scale compared to mainline) The Eagle MEC listened to their pilots and told AMR to go pound sand. AAG said fine, we'll go to PSA and offer them a deal.
2. AAG goes to you guys at PSA and offers you an even worse deal than they offered Eagle (the B-scale offered to Eagle was only going to affect new hires, they could have easily thrown future generations under the bus) and you guys vote it in.
3. AAG comes back to Eagle and says, "Agree to PSA concessions or else….." The Eagle MEC listens to their pilots yet again and decides to kill the second offer.
You cut the legs out from Eagle when you took your deal. Eagle just made it easier for Air Whiskey and whoever else follows next to say no too.
1. AAG approached Eagle last summer and asked for a "B-scale." (more like a C-scale compared to mainline) The Eagle MEC listened to their pilots and told AMR to go pound sand. AAG said fine, we'll go to PSA and offer them a deal.
2. AAG goes to you guys at PSA and offers you an even worse deal than they offered Eagle (the B-scale offered to Eagle was only going to affect new hires, they could have easily thrown future generations under the bus) and you guys vote it in.
3. AAG comes back to Eagle and says, "Agree to PSA concessions or else….." The Eagle MEC listens to their pilots yet again and decides to kill the second offer.
You cut the legs out from Eagle when you took your deal. Eagle just made it easier for Air Whiskey and whoever else follows next to say no too.
02-13-2014 | 08:36 AM
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Totally unrelated to EGL and their situation...
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see E170s at Seaborne sometime in the future. There is a person in a key mgmt position with considerable E170 experience, and of the right kind to get the type on property. I don't recall that any of the instructors have experience on the type, but if the company keeps growing it'd be a logical step. It sure would be fun to fly an E170 into TDPD and do "the visual"
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see E170s at Seaborne sometime in the future. There is a person in a key mgmt position with considerable E170 experience, and of the right kind to get the type on property. I don't recall that any of the instructors have experience on the type, but if the company keeps growing it'd be a logical step. It sure would be fun to fly an E170 into TDPD and do "the visual"
02-13-2014 | 08:47 AM
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Totally unrelated to EGL and their situation...
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see E170s at Seaborne sometime in the future. There is a person in a key mgmt position with considerable E170 experience, and of the right kind to get the type on property. I don't recall that any of the instructors have experience on the type, but if the company keeps growing it'd be a logical step. It sure would be fun to fly an E170 into TDPD and do "the visual"
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see E170s at Seaborne sometime in the future. There is a person in a key mgmt position with considerable E170 experience, and of the right kind to get the type on property. I don't recall that any of the instructors have experience on the type, but if the company keeps growing it'd be a logical step. It sure would be fun to fly an E170 into TDPD and do "the visual"
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02-13-2014 | 08:53 AM
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So how did events transpire then?
Actually, from what has been said by Doug is that they would come back once more after initially turning them down and that would be the final chance.
Even if your version is true, that it was a long shot for AAG to come back, then that is even better for other pilots. It proves that pilots aren't as replaceable anymore. If AAG was in truly a strong position they never would have come back in the first place and when they did they wouldn't have back peddled on the Comair threat or increase Eagle's fleet guarantee. If it truly was take it or leave it they wouldn't have tried so hard with all the threats against Eagle. Eagle's management didn't try as hard of a sell job when those guys were in bankruptcy and management could pretty much do what they want at the direction of the court.
Fact still remains, Eagle has said no twice to AAG. ExpressJet has done it once. What the heck has PSA done besides bend over for Doug?
Congratulations, I hope you are real proud of yourselves for the damage you have done to the industry.
Even if your version is true, that it was a long shot for AAG to come back, then that is even better for other pilots. It proves that pilots aren't as replaceable anymore. If AAG was in truly a strong position they never would have come back in the first place and when they did they wouldn't have back peddled on the Comair threat or increase Eagle's fleet guarantee. If it truly was take it or leave it they wouldn't have tried so hard with all the threats against Eagle. Eagle's management didn't try as hard of a sell job when those guys were in bankruptcy and management could pretty much do what they want at the direction of the court.
Fact still remains, Eagle has said no twice to AAG. ExpressJet has done it once. What the heck has PSA done besides bend over for Doug?
Congratulations, I hope you are real proud of yourselves for the damage you have done to the industry.
02-13-2014 | 09:12 AM
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02-13-2014 | 09:17 AM
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Give Me Advice
I'm a guy with 900 total; 500 MEI, with 400 turbine. I was a Captain on a King Air Part 91......that was 14 years ago. I want to return to a career in aviation. I just finished my BFR/IPC. I have my CFI, but not current. Is there any way I can get hired Part 91 or 135 without going back into the 172 as a CFI? What does a future in the airlines look like for me?
02-13-2014 | 09:30 AM
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Totally unrelated to EGL and their situation...
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see E170s at Seaborne sometime in the future. There is a person in a key mgmt position with considerable E170 experience, and of the right kind to get the type on property. I don't recall that any of the instructors have experience on the type, but if the company keeps growing it'd be a logical step. It sure would be fun to fly an E170 into TDPD and do "the visual"
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see E170s at Seaborne sometime in the future. There is a person in a key mgmt position with considerable E170 experience, and of the right kind to get the type on property. I don't recall that any of the instructors have experience on the type, but if the company keeps growing it'd be a logical step. It sure would be fun to fly an E170 into TDPD and do "the visual"
Nobody is going to get Eagle's planes, at least not the 145....the CR7's may leave but even that I highly doubt. They just wont be getting new frames.
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