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Old 02-27-2014 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
There is a problem with this theory, the reason why the salary levels abroad is higher in comparison is because of the small supply, situation that has created a steady increase in salary in the 7 years that I have been on the expat market (for the third time) but the US is still the market around the world that has the biggest supply of experienced pilots living on a lower salary rate because of the bright and visionary idea of separating the pilot groups into two classes...!
Airlines planning to explore the possibility of US bases will have a practically unlimited supply of 8,000+ hour pilots with plenty of jet pic! I believe that the salaries will be in accordance with this reality, if you follow the example of one organization that has done it already, (let me make clear that I have nothing against VA nor it's pilots, my position is based just on numbers) but VA is not paying its A320 pilots what they are paying abroad right? That is the problem that I see, that let's say Air China opens a base in the US and they come in with a salary level that is 40% lower than the 23K net they are paying in China, and they will get inundated with qualified resumes. I honestly don't believe that the introduction of jobs from a foreign carrier based in the US necessarily means that their salary levels will be imported as well, they will offer the salary levels that they know people will accept.
Europe is in a similar boat as the US from my understanding, hence the ability of RyanAir etc. to pay relatively little.

Ultimately I think the payoff for someplace like NAI is not in the ability to pay pilots slightly less (it might even be more), but in the ability to set up their "headquarters" somewhere with low taxes.

A secondary benefit is the ability to pay cabin crew 3rd world wages. On a widebody aircraft, this is a very large savings.

This is bad news for US pilots but not because it's going to drag down salaries (I think it won't). These "new" airlines will be clamoring for qualified pilots. It's simply undercutting the US Airline business model. Taken to it's logical conclusion, as it did in the maritime industry, we would all become basically contract workers to a byzantine network of flag of convenience carriers. We would not necessarily lose pay because of this, but we would certainly lose job security and the benefits of a seniority system.
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Old 02-27-2014 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler
All you folks touting their arrival might want to do a little homework. Most guys I know that are flying for foreign carriers are dying to get back to the states. These carriers have few if any work rules, often don't honor seniority, and pay much less than their US counterparts. I worked for a regional and understand the angst with the downward spiral going on, but allowing foreign carriers to operate domestically will be a disaster for the US airline industry, and the overall pay and quality of life for pilots based here.
Finally someone speaking the TRUTH. Yeah the hard numbers of salary look much better at face value, but they are only paying that because they really need the pilots at the moment. Do you know what they pay their aircraft cleaners at QATAR? Significantly less than what one would make at a subcontractor here, and that is because there are thousands of Nepali citizens willing to do it for meager pay.
The work rules at some of these carriers is ****. Ask anyone who works at Cathay if the work rules are good... they will fire you for looking at someone funny and there isn't crap you can do about it.
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