Expect it to get messy before it gets clean.
04-05-2014 | 09:42 AM
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CA yr 1 131.10 yr 12 170.13
FO yr 1 49.56 yr 12 115.67
Here's UAL's rates effective for 2014
CA yr 1 120.64 yr 12 131.42
FO yr 1 66.10 yr 12 89.75
04-05-2014 | 09:54 AM
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DAL (and theIt's all going according to the plan DAL and ALPA crafted. When regional pay rises to that level the advantage of outsourcing is gone. others, but especially DAL since they've positioned themselves to take advantage of it) will eliminate most RJ flying, taking the CRJ9s and E175s they own to be flown by mainline at the current pay rates in the current DAL PWA. Notice how ALPA is suddenly claiming there's no pilot shortage, it's a pay problem? How convenient.
The skeleton of the regionals will return to the 90s "commuter" airline days code sharing and at risk flying. Endeavor and Envoy will cease to exist. RAH will move toward UAL and AA until they follow suit. Silver and Great Lakes are well positioned for growth in picking up dropped CRJ routes to small cities. SkyWest and its subsidiaries will most likely use their remaining CRJ200s and 700s for at risk flying and use their large airplanes to start a stand alone airline.
It's all going according to the plan...
The skeleton of the regionals will return to the 90s "commuter" airline days code sharing and at risk flying. Endeavor and Envoy will cease to exist. RAH will move toward UAL and AA until they follow suit. Silver and Great Lakes are well positioned for growth in picking up dropped CRJ routes to small cities. SkyWest and its subsidiaries will most likely use their remaining CRJ200s and 700s for at risk flying and use their large airplanes to start a stand alone airline.
It's all going according to the plan...
The fact that SKYW owns the next 600+ RJ's to be built throws a kink in this.. Are you supposing they intended to get out of the crewing business and ONLY be a leasing company?
04-05-2014 | 10:01 AM
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Is there a medium point for regional pay? Somewhere that is higher than now, but still less than mainline and will still make it worthwhile for mainline to outsource. I think they will try that, rather than bring it in house. They have become addicted to cheap feed and that labor flexibility (ie. whipsaw). They don't need to raise captain's pay at the regionals, just FO pay, but the union decides how any pay raise is apportioned betw. FO's and CA's. That is one reason we are seeing all these hiring bonuses. What if they start offering a 10K bonus for every new hire for each yr. completed up to yr. 4? They could easily revoke the bonus whenever they want too.
This is the big misnomer. Regional airlines are not "cheap feeds" for the majors... Once you pass through fuel, pay for Managment, Scheduling, corporate offices, a little something for shareholders and some corporate profit ( if applicable) I really don't think we are all that much "cheaper".. just something for the legacy guys to use at the negotiation table... pilots are easy to distract to $/hr... but moving people is MUCH more than pilot salaries.
04-05-2014 | 10:04 AM
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The skeleton of the regionals will return to the 90s "commuter" airline days code sharing and at risk flying. Endeavor and Envoy will cease to exist. RAH will move toward UAL and AA until they follow suit. Silver and Great Lakes are well positioned for growth in picking up dropped CRJ routes to small cities. SkyWest and its subsidiaries will most likely use their remaining CRJ200s and 700s for at risk flying and use their large airplanes to start a stand alone airline.
It's all going according to the plan...
It's all going according to the plan...
04-05-2014 | 10:12 AM
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From: Downwind, headed straight for the rocks, shanghaied aboard the ship of fools.
This is the big misnomer. Regional airlines are not "cheap feeds" for the majors... Once you pass through fuel, pay for Managment, Scheduling, corporate offices, a little something for shareholders and some corporate profit ( if applicable) I really don't think we are all that much "cheaper".. just something for the legacy guys to use at the negotiation table... pilots are easy to distract to $/hr... but moving people is MUCH more than pilot salaries.
04-05-2014 | 10:34 AM
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If anything, they should disallow new-hire bonuses, but allow retention bonuses. Already work here? Willing to sign a letter of intent to work here for 24 months from now? Here's 10k.
04-05-2014 | 10:41 AM
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Forget the bonus pay a decent wage and you won't need it the garbage regionals offer a huge bonus because they know most will bail before they get the 2nd yr bonus it solves the short term staffing problem. They've run the numbers they know that training costs are not as much of a concern compared to not being able to have decent completion factors.
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