Beyond Hourly Payscales and Guarantees
03-01-2007, 07:02 PM
#61
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: SkyWest Capt.
Posts: 2,963
Originally Posted by ANPBird
Here is a question for you! Now that your in trans to the CRJ is there a new seat lock for you as a CRJ FO? Or can you upgrade once you have time and seniority after a few months?
Currently Emb CA's are jump at an alarming rate to RJ CA. Because of this they will soon start to run out of qualified pilots who are interested in upgrading to Emb CA (need 2500TT & 1000 121). Currently pilot's who were hired in July are accepting upgrades and they are all Jr to me. The word around the training center is that they will get VERY close to hiring street CA's on the Bro in the near future. As for senior pilots to me, well the most Jr CRJ CA is less than 80 numbers ahead of me. So, most looking for a quick upgrade will hold off for the jet seeing that the upgrade time is only 18 months.
Around August/September I will be qualified and with my bid in they will more than likely break my seat lock. Why did I not stay on the Bro? I wanted the experience seeing that I intend on returning to the jet after my stint as Bro CA. I don't want to sit reserve and spending more time as FO just gets me closer to holding a Bro line.
03-02-2007, 04:22 AM
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: SAABster
Posts: 639
Originally Posted by fosters
Holy crap dude try spending some time at home!!! "Work to live" don't "Live to Work" 
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I used to be like you too, then I starting taking it easy...wow what a difference it makes.
.I used to be like you too, then I starting taking it easy...wow what a difference it makes.
03-03-2007, 08:39 AM
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Guppy Capt.
Posts: 1,887
Originally Posted by HSLD
Good post!
Work rules are the one intangible that individual pilots, and even pilots as a group, have a very difficult time placing a value on. Ask a United (DAL, NWA) Pilot how important duty rigs are these days Rate of pay clearly has an impact on an individual pilot's W2 earnings, although work rules will allow him to have the time off to enjoy a reasonable quality of life.
Work rules are the one intangible that individual pilots, and even pilots as a group, have a very difficult time placing a value on. Ask a United (DAL, NWA) Pilot how important duty rigs are these days
Rate of pay clearly has an impact on an individual pilot's W2 earnings, although work rules will allow him to have the time off to enjoy a reasonable quality of life.QOL of key. We are in negotiations now, and the D.O. and CEO say they want to improve our W-2. GREAT!!! HOWEVER, they want PBS, back to 50% Dead Head, no MIN days off between Pairing blocks, the list goes on. Sure they might pay more, but you won't have time to spend that extra money, or time with loved ones. And that's, well, "Priceless".
BTW, check with your tax man about per diem. As far as I know, if you "overnight", it's not taxable. If you are doing "turns" it is!!!
03-03-2007, 10:58 AM
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 235
Piedmont Airlines
Reserve guarantee: 72 hours
Per Diem Rate: $1.40
Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
Scheduled block time (OAG)
Actual block time flown
Min daily guarantee of 4:00 (average over course of trip)
100% cancelation pay
50% deadhead pay
New Hires:
Double Occupancy Hotel
Uniforms Payroll deducted
Jepps and binders supplied
Pay during training at reserve garuntee with 1/2 per diem (12 hours a day)
Vacation:
Vacation days are used to wipe out a day of work on a scheaduled line, so if bid correctly 5 days of vacation can give you 2 weeks off.
Vacation Accrual Rate
year 1: 5 days
year 2-5(?): 10
Not sure how it works out, but I believe max is 20 vacation days
Uniforms:
No uniform allowance
Don't rember much, but I was paying about $30 a month for what seemed to end up being pretty good dental and health insurance. Even covered chiropractor at %80. There is a 401k with match that increases with years of serivce.
Other Stuff:
Junior manning:
Max 3 junior mans per year. Junior man days are paid at normal credit + 4 hours.
Schedules are bid as hard lines. There aren't any big bases, so they just drop off a pile of the available lines in each crew room, you decide which you want, fax it back in, and 1 week later the awards are published and you find out out someone junior to you inexplicably got what you bid for.
Trades are done via the crew room swap board and word of mouth. You both fax the request to scheduling and they then pretend they never got it.
Travel benefits on US airways are free. You only pay international taxes. Your spouse and children travel free, and if you are unmarried you may designate a "registered guest" who has those beneifts (however, the value of their travel [@ ID90 rate{10% of full Y fare}] will be added to your paycheck as "imputed income" and taxed along withyour wages). Parents travel cheap (don't rember the rate), and you get 8 one way guest passea year. The guest pass cost is based on zone travel and may cover multiple segments cost range from $25(intrazone)-$100(transatlantic). You have free access to the hub which gives load info and allows you to list and use guest passes and the 1-800 # which actauly gives loads and IS NOT voice activated. Thank god, and hint hint UAL.
Thats all I remember infomration is subject to change and may also be flat out wrong. Additions encouraged and welcomed.
Reserve guarantee: 72 hours
Per Diem Rate: $1.40
Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
Scheduled block time (OAG)
Actual block time flown
Min daily guarantee of 4:00 (average over course of trip)
100% cancelation pay
50% deadhead pay
New Hires:
Double Occupancy Hotel
Uniforms Payroll deducted
Jepps and binders supplied
Pay during training at reserve garuntee with 1/2 per diem (12 hours a day)
Vacation:
Vacation days are used to wipe out a day of work on a scheaduled line, so if bid correctly 5 days of vacation can give you 2 weeks off.
Vacation Accrual Rate
year 1: 5 days
year 2-5(?): 10
Not sure how it works out, but I believe max is 20 vacation days
Uniforms:
No uniform allowance
Don't rember much, but I was paying about $30 a month for what seemed to end up being pretty good dental and health insurance. Even covered chiropractor at %80. There is a 401k with match that increases with years of serivce.
Other Stuff:
Junior manning:
Max 3 junior mans per year. Junior man days are paid at normal credit + 4 hours.
Schedules are bid as hard lines. There aren't any big bases, so they just drop off a pile of the available lines in each crew room, you decide which you want, fax it back in, and 1 week later the awards are published and you find out out someone junior to you inexplicably got what you bid for.
Trades are done via the crew room swap board and word of mouth. You both fax the request to scheduling and they then pretend they never got it.
Travel benefits on US airways are free. You only pay international taxes. Your spouse and children travel free, and if you are unmarried you may designate a "registered guest" who has those beneifts (however, the value of their travel [@ ID90 rate{10% of full Y fare}] will be added to your paycheck as "imputed income" and taxed along withyour wages). Parents travel cheap (don't rember the rate), and you get 8 one way guest passea year. The guest pass cost is based on zone travel and may cover multiple segments cost range from $25(intrazone)-$100(transatlantic). You have free access to the hub which gives load info and allows you to list and use guest passes and the 1-800 # which actauly gives loads and IS NOT voice activated. Thank god, and hint hint UAL.
Thats all I remember infomration is subject to change and may also be flat out wrong. Additions encouraged and welcomed.
03-05-2007, 07:53 AM
#68
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: 150 left seat if I'm lucky
Posts: 172
So how about you Mesa pilots? Let's get the real meat and potatoes out there. From what I've read it sounds like no deadhead pay, no duty rigs, paid block no matter what, but I have yet to hear(read) it from the horses mouth.
03-05-2007, 08:05 AM
#69
Swearing at the FMA
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: MD-88 FO
Posts: 902
Great Lakes Airlines
Payscales:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html
Turboprop Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Turboprop Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Per Diem Rate: $1.20
Compensation:
Paid historical block
No cancelation pay
50% over-guarantee deadhead pay
New Hires:
* Double Occupancy Hotel
* Buy your own uniforms
* No Jepps for FO's, company buys Jepps, but not binders, for captains.
* No pay during training
* Once aircraft training is complete, you begin receiving monthly gty. until the end of IOE
* No per diem (except on IOE flights) during initial training.
Paid Holidays (Paid at 3:45 credit)
* New Year’s Day
* Memorial Day
* Fourth of July
* Labor Day
* Thanksgiving Day
* Christmas Day
Uniforms:
Company pays a small amount (not sure how much) after 2 years online.
Benefits:
Health care - PPO (after 90 days)
Life Insurance available (minimal cost)
401k Matching
Matches 4% if you contribute 10% of your paycheck.
Other Stuff:
Reserves cannot pick up open time, except on "off" days
Initial captain upgrade is always to the Beech
No reserve lines
Min days off: 10/month
Junior man always pays 3:45 over guarantee
CASS participant
Part 135 flight/duty time limitations for Beech 1900 pilots
Payscales:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html
Turboprop Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Turboprop Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Per Diem Rate: $1.20
Compensation:
Paid historical block
No cancelation pay
50% over-guarantee deadhead pay
New Hires:
* Double Occupancy Hotel
* Buy your own uniforms
* No Jepps for FO's, company buys Jepps, but not binders, for captains.
* No pay during training
* Once aircraft training is complete, you begin receiving monthly gty. until the end of IOE
* No per diem (except on IOE flights) during initial training.
Paid Holidays (Paid at 3:45 credit)
* New Year’s Day
* Memorial Day
* Fourth of July
* Labor Day
* Thanksgiving Day
* Christmas Day
Uniforms:
Company pays a small amount (not sure how much) after 2 years online.
Benefits:
Health care - PPO (after 90 days)
Life Insurance available (minimal cost)
401k Matching
Matches 4% if you contribute 10% of your paycheck.
Other Stuff:
Reserves cannot pick up open time, except on "off" days
Initial captain upgrade is always to the Beech
No reserve lines
Min days off: 10/month
Junior man always pays 3:45 over guarantee
CASS participant
Part 135 flight/duty time limitations for Beech 1900 pilots
03-05-2007, 08:34 AM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,242
Originally Posted by Burt Reynolds
Hopefully this won't turn into some sort of flame-fest (that's the reason I'm posting this here instead of FI.com). When I started at my first airline (American Eagle) I didn't know too much about work rules, etc. And for that matter, I had no idea of what questions to ask when I was interviewing.
A while back a friend of mine called to tell me that he had accepted a position at an airline which will remain nameless, but has a reputation for some really crappy work rules. While I was trying to be enthusiastic and happy for him, I asked him if he knew anything about compensation, days off, etc. He said no and I finally got around to asking him why he decided to work there. He said, "They called me back". Anyway, I'm glad that he got the job, but I felt that he was seriously under-informed and may have made a better decision if he had more information available to him.
That's why I decided to create this thread. I am putting this information out solely for comparison purposes and without bias towards or against SkyWest. I'd like to see other people at different airlines add their information too (or other SkyWest people to add things that I may have gotten wrong or left out).
I would also like to add that compensation is only one part of the puzzle, but I figure that the more information that is available, the more informed a new pilot can be about which company best fits his/her situation. Please don't turn this into a "Your company sucks/ALPA rules/sucks" thread...
SkyWest Airlines
Payscales:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html
RJ rates increase by 1% as of 1/1/07
RJ Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
RJ Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
EMB120 line guarantee: 80 hours
EMB120 reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Per Diem Rate: $1.60
Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay
5% (2007) "BHO-Block Hour Override" pay for legs scheduled/flown on the CR7/CR9
BHO increases 1% every year until 2010
New Hires:
Paid Holidays (Paid at 4:18 credit, after 90 days of service)
Vacation Accrual Rate
Uniforms:
$150/year uniform allowance
Benefits:
Various health plans - PPO,HMO,High Deductible (after 90 days)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($20.50-$151.58/pay period)
Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service provided through Intermountain Health Care (IHC). The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.
Dental (after 90 days) $4.78-$13.41/pay period
Vision (available to new hires immediately)
($2.77-$7.38/pay period)
Flexible Spending Accounts
Disability
Short-term ($3.99-$11.95/pay period)
Long-term (paid by SkyWest)
Life Insurance (free after 90 days)
$20,000 coverage for employee, $5,000 for spouse, and $2,500 for dependents
$20,000 AD&D for employee
Legal and Financial Planing Services (after 90 days)
($8.62/pay period)
401k Matching
1-4 yrs service (2%)
5-9 yrs service (4%)
10+ yrs service (6%)
Employee Stock Purchase
The Employee Stock Purchase Plan allows you to purchase SkyWest, Inc. common stock through a payroll deduction at a discounted price. Choose the amount of after-tax dollars deducted from each paycheck. These dollars accumulate over a six-month period and are then used to purchase SkyWest stock at a 15 percent discount from the market price, based on a six-month look back.
Education Savings (available after 90 days)
SkyWest offers a program to assist you in saving for educational costs for you, your children or grandchildren. This plan is a flexible, tax-advantaged 529 college savings plan managed by Alliance Capital. This plan allows you to save through payroll deductions on an after-tax basis for college expenses.
Other Stuff:
No involuntary junior manning
Open time can be picked up at JM pay (150%) as long as the trip starts in the next 10 days. Crew support has the option to deny your request to pick up the open time, but they have to assign it to a reserve right away. If you pick up open time outside of the 10 day window it is straight pay.
Schedules are constructed using a preferential bidding system (PBS). Some like it, some don't. The trick is learning how to use it properly. I screwed up for January and now I only have 11 days off. Boo. Personally, I like it better than the hard lines because it's easier to get a couple specific days off without having to limit your options severely. PBS will build a schedule with no more than 20 duty days in a month, i.e. (10-11 days guaranteed off depending on whether it's a 30 or 31 day bid period).
Automated trip trades and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via company web site.
Excellent company web site. I can't even begin to tell you how much better I like it compared to SABRE (at American Eagle). Very easy to use. And we can keep an e-mail longer than one day! haha (Eagle guys know what I'm talking about)
A while back a friend of mine called to tell me that he had accepted a position at an airline which will remain nameless, but has a reputation for some really crappy work rules. While I was trying to be enthusiastic and happy for him, I asked him if he knew anything about compensation, days off, etc. He said no and I finally got around to asking him why he decided to work there. He said, "They called me back". Anyway, I'm glad that he got the job, but I felt that he was seriously under-informed and may have made a better decision if he had more information available to him.
That's why I decided to create this thread. I am putting this information out solely for comparison purposes and without bias towards or against SkyWest. I'd like to see other people at different airlines add their information too (or other SkyWest people to add things that I may have gotten wrong or left out).
I would also like to add that compensation is only one part of the puzzle, but I figure that the more information that is available, the more informed a new pilot can be about which company best fits his/her situation. Please don't turn this into a "Your company sucks/ALPA rules/sucks" thread...
SkyWest Airlines
Payscales:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html
RJ rates increase by 1% as of 1/1/07
RJ Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
RJ Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
EMB120 line guarantee: 80 hours
EMB120 reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Per Diem Rate: $1.60
Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
- Scheduled historical block time
- Actual block time flown
- 2:1 duty pay (based on scheduled duty time)
- Min daily guarantee of 3:45 (Except on CDOs)
100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay
5% (2007) "BHO-Block Hour Override" pay for legs scheduled/flown on the CR7/CR9
BHO increases 1% every year until 2010
New Hires:
- Double Occupancy Hotel
- Uniforms Supplied
- Jepps Supplied
- Pay during training (can't remember the # of hours, anyone?)
- Once aircraft training is complete, you begin receiving monthly gty. until the end of IOE
- No per diem (except on IOE flights)
Paid Holidays (Paid at 4:18 credit, after 90 days of service)
- New Year’s Day
- Memorial Day
- Fourth of July
- Labor Day
- Thanksgiving Day
- Christmas Day
- After ninety days .0193 per hour
- After two years .027 per hour
- After five years .0385 per hour
Vacation Accrual Rate
- After six months .0385 per hour
- After five years .0462 per hour
- After ten years .0577 per hour
- After fifteen years .0615 per hour
- After sixteen years .0654 per hour
- After seventeen years .0692 per hour
- After eighteen years .0731 per hour
- After nineteen years .0769 per hour
Uniforms:
$150/year uniform allowance
Benefits:
Various health plans - PPO,HMO,High Deductible (after 90 days)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($20.50-$151.58/pay period)
Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service provided through Intermountain Health Care (IHC). The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.
Dental (after 90 days) $4.78-$13.41/pay period
Vision (available to new hires immediately)
($2.77-$7.38/pay period)
Flexible Spending Accounts
Disability
Short-term ($3.99-$11.95/pay period)
Long-term (paid by SkyWest)
Life Insurance (free after 90 days)
$20,000 coverage for employee, $5,000 for spouse, and $2,500 for dependents
$20,000 AD&D for employee
Legal and Financial Planing Services (after 90 days)
($8.62/pay period)
401k Matching
1-4 yrs service (2%)
5-9 yrs service (4%)
10+ yrs service (6%)
Employee Stock Purchase
The Employee Stock Purchase Plan allows you to purchase SkyWest, Inc. common stock through a payroll deduction at a discounted price. Choose the amount of after-tax dollars deducted from each paycheck. These dollars accumulate over a six-month period and are then used to purchase SkyWest stock at a 15 percent discount from the market price, based on a six-month look back.
Education Savings (available after 90 days)
SkyWest offers a program to assist you in saving for educational costs for you, your children or grandchildren. This plan is a flexible, tax-advantaged 529 college savings plan managed by Alliance Capital. This plan allows you to save through payroll deductions on an after-tax basis for college expenses.
Other Stuff:
No involuntary junior manning
Open time can be picked up at JM pay (150%) as long as the trip starts in the next 10 days. Crew support has the option to deny your request to pick up the open time, but they have to assign it to a reserve right away. If you pick up open time outside of the 10 day window it is straight pay.
Schedules are constructed using a preferential bidding system (PBS). Some like it, some don't. The trick is learning how to use it properly. I screwed up for January and now I only have 11 days off. Boo. Personally, I like it better than the hard lines because it's easier to get a couple specific days off without having to limit your options severely. PBS will build a schedule with no more than 20 duty days in a month, i.e. (10-11 days guaranteed off depending on whether it's a 30 or 31 day bid period).
Automated trip trades and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via company web site.
Excellent company web site. I can't even begin to tell you how much better I like it compared to SABRE (at American Eagle). Very easy to use. And we can keep an e-mail longer than one day! haha (Eagle guys know what I'm talking about)
Any travel benefits for you and family on motherships?
-LAFF
