Hmm....could work.

 

So is the fact that all 3 of the AAG contract airlines have cadet programs, as well as flow through agreements a sign of the "pilot shortage"? Not saying that this will fix any problems they are facing hiring but just an attempt to fix the coming "pilot shortage"?

 

I believe fixing pay will fix the pilot shortage.

Endeavor is filling classes. This may be why:



The data used for the graph:

 

Curious why anyone would consider going to Mesa?

 

Hah, our classes are full. Mesa was a great deal for me when I was hired on in 2013. Can't say the same if I was hired today.

 

I'm not here being a Mesa cheerleader, but the above is skewed. Mesa has a 6 month upgrade on the CRJ if you have prior 121, a 16-20 month upgrade if you come with zero 121 or want to hold out for the 175. Yes, when aircraft stop being delivered, (2017) that will change and I'm sure this company will be forced into a new contract to attract new hires with the quick upgrade carrot gone. However as of late we have had a high attrition rate on the Captain side.... My point being, no one here is still on FO pay at year 3, unless they can't cut it for upgrade.

We are about to do a 1 for 2 trade on our oldest 900s, and our 18 new 175s is about to turn into 30, or so we've been told.

Once again, just to clarify, I do not want people coming to work here. We need a new contract, yesterday. Just have to stick up for this place when I see misleading pay info, as most 2nd year pilots are on 2nd year CA pay.

Also Mesa is giving a new hire bonus of around $2500.

 

Talked to a DAL checkairman. Said they trained a relatively recent UND grad. I used to live there, and it was a really big flight school....70+ fixed wing aircraft sometime in the last century. They turned out a LOT of airline pilots for America. Now the students are.....95%.....!!!! foreign students! No US passport, no greencard, no pilots for America. Wow!

Also, the DAL guy told me that without MAJOR changes, DAL will NOT be able to staff the airplanes they have now. Too many pilots retiring, and not enough American students to fill their shoes. He said he had NO idea how DAL was going to fix their future pilot shortage.

 

Curious as to why would anyone "defend" Mesa

 

With all due respect, the data is not skewed. It is just FO Pay Rate Data right out of the contracts. There is no way to forecast upgrade times for all of the airlines, so no attempt was made to do so. Mesa is not unique with upgrade opportunities and this isn't an upgrade potential graph. There would be way too many variables to try to do a forecast like that. This is simply FIRST OFFICER data.

The bonus data was pulled off of the recruiting pages. There is no mention of a bonus on the recruiting page. The reason the data driving the graph is there is so there would be no question as to what it represents. As pay rates and bonuses change, I will update the data as I have time. Thanks for your input.

Also, this is not meant to bash Mesa, it is just pulling together the data as it stands now. Mesa just happens to fall at the bottom. Hopefully all companies will be raising compensation to at least industry average.

 

But, but, they have 10,000 apps on file.... Tools... At least that particular CKA isn't in denial.