Worsening Pilot Shortage
03-09-2016, 04:48 AM
#471
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This should help.....From UAL...
"We announced Tuesday an order to purchase 25 new Boeing 737-700 aircraft. The order is in addition to the previously announced order of 40 737-700s. We will take delivery of the aircraft beginning at the end of 2017.
The new 737-700 aircraft will enable us to continue utilizing larger, more efficient aircraft as we reduce the size of our 50-seat regional fleet. We expect to have fewer than 100 aircraft in our 50-seat fleet by the end of 2019."
UAL had 256- 50-seat aircraft at the end of 2015.
"We announced Tuesday an order to purchase 25 new Boeing 737-700 aircraft. The order is in addition to the previously announced order of 40 737-700s. We will take delivery of the aircraft beginning at the end of 2017.
The new 737-700 aircraft will enable us to continue utilizing larger, more efficient aircraft as we reduce the size of our 50-seat regional fleet. We expect to have fewer than 100 aircraft in our 50-seat fleet by the end of 2019."
UAL had 256- 50-seat aircraft at the end of 2015.
03-09-2016, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by trip
The regionals (and indirectly majors) are really still in denial phase, they've had no worries with low timers beating down the doors for so long. With that said I don't see a long term fix at the regional level that doesn't come from the mainline. There is no money at the regional and no pricing power with the CPA lowest bidder contracts. This whole regional sham might be over sooner rather then later, for only one reason, the pilots stopped showing up.
03-09-2016, 06:02 AM
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It is all about supply and demand. For now, they are still trying to squeeze the lemon with ever more creative ways of keeping cost low.
But eventually even CPAs are up for renegotiation. Majors can then decided to do it themselves, cut service altogether or pay more (and pass it on to customers). This is no different than rising oil prices. Eventually it will be passed on to customers. It is just more immediate because OPEC doesn't care about flows or preferential interviews.
But eventually even CPAs are up for renegotiation. Majors can then decided to do it themselves, cut service altogether or pay more (and pass it on to customers). This is no different than rising oil prices. Eventually it will be passed on to customers. It is just more immediate because OPEC doesn't care about flows or preferential interviews.
03-14-2016, 11:15 AM
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a 12Mar2016 post from another website:
I don't know whether to call it a "shortage" or not, but at the job fair this weekend, ALL of the legacies at their individual hiring briefings all said the same thing...."The well is drying up (Bill Kennedy's own words), and in 3-5 years, it's going to be very tough to fill these legacy cockpits."
03-14-2016, 11:31 AM
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UND has one of the top aviation programs in the country. They train a LOT of flight students.
Was talking to a DAL check airman about a month ago. He had a student that was at UND. They said that UND now is 95% foreign students! A big changed from when I lived there...and I have heard the same at a number of flight schools. The US trains a lot of pilots...but today, many of them are not US citizens and/or don't have the right to work in the US. Without new US students, no new US pilots to replace the massive numbers of retirees.
DAL, since early 2015, has been losing TWICE as many pilots as those who turn age 65...they didn't realize so many would retire early.
Was talking to a DAL check airman about a month ago. He had a student that was at UND. They said that UND now is 95% foreign students! A big changed from when I lived there...and I have heard the same at a number of flight schools. The US trains a lot of pilots...but today, many of them are not US citizens and/or don't have the right to work in the US. Without new US students, no new US pilots to replace the massive numbers of retirees.
DAL, since early 2015, has been losing TWICE as many pilots as those who turn age 65...they didn't realize so many would retire early.
03-14-2016, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
UND has one of the top aviation programs in the country. They train a LOT of flight students.
Was talking to a DAL check airman about a month ago. He had a student that was at UND. They said that UND now is 95% foreign students! A big changed from when I lived there...and I have heard the same at a number of flight schools. The US trains a lot of pilots...but today, many of them are not US citizens and/or don't have the right to work in the US. Without new US students, no new US pilots to replace the massive numbers of retirees.
DAL, since early 2015, has been losing TWICE as many pilots as those who turn age 65...they didn't realize so many would retire early.
Was talking to a DAL check airman about a month ago. He had a student that was at UND. They said that UND now is 95% foreign students! A big changed from when I lived there...and I have heard the same at a number of flight schools. The US trains a lot of pilots...but today, many of them are not US citizens and/or don't have the right to work in the US. Without new US students, no new US pilots to replace the massive numbers of retirees.
DAL, since early 2015, has been losing TWICE as many pilots as those who turn age 65...they didn't realize so many would retire early.
03-16-2016, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
UND has one of the top aviation programs in the country. They train a LOT of flight students.
Was talking to a DAL check airman about a month ago. He had a student that was at UND. They said that UND now is 95% foreign students! A big changed from when I lived there...and I have heard the same at a number of flight schools. The US trains a lot of pilots...but today, many of them are not US citizens and/or don't have the right to work in the US. Without new US students, no new US pilots to replace the massive numbers of retirees.
DAL, since early 2015, has been losing TWICE as many pilots as those who turn age 65...they didn't realize so many would retire early.
Was talking to a DAL check airman about a month ago. He had a student that was at UND. They said that UND now is 95% foreign students! A big changed from when I lived there...and I have heard the same at a number of flight schools. The US trains a lot of pilots...but today, many of them are not US citizens and/or don't have the right to work in the US. Without new US students, no new US pilots to replace the massive numbers of retirees.
DAL, since early 2015, has been losing TWICE as many pilots as those who turn age 65...they didn't realize so many would retire early.
Spot on about foreign students. I am working on my cfi at a large school in Florida. Out of 400ish students there was only ONE other person in my Cfi ground school. ONE. Every flight school that I know of down here with the exception of mom and pop places are all 95% foreign (mostly Chinese) students. There are just no domestic people starting training. This shortage is going to quickly get much much worse. I have no idea where all these new pilots are supposed to come from. From my viewpoint they just don't exist.
03-16-2016, 10:14 PM
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Out of 400 students, there were only two. Say WHAT? Did the two of you kill 398 people???
Originally Posted by Pirep
First post. Woooooo.
Spot on about foreign students. I am working on my cfi at a large school in Florida. Out of 400ish students there was only ONE other person in my Cfi ground school. ONE. Every flight school that I know of down here with the exception of mom and pop places are all 95% foreign (mostly Chinese) students. There are just no domestic people starting training. This shortage is going to quickly get much much worse. I have no idea where all these new pilots are supposed to come from. From my viewpoint they just don't exist.
Spot on about foreign students. I am working on my cfi at a large school in Florida. Out of 400ish students there was only ONE other person in my Cfi ground school. ONE. Every flight school that I know of down here with the exception of mom and pop places are all 95% foreign (mostly Chinese) students. There are just no domestic people starting training. This shortage is going to quickly get much much worse. I have no idea where all these new pilots are supposed to come from. From my viewpoint they just don't exist.
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