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Old 09-05-2014 | 09:20 AM
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I wonder if ALPA national could require this sort of language to be in every ALPA carrier's contract. Would that be possible?
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Old 09-05-2014 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tjr0806
This would never work for wholly owned companies. They do not own the metal they fly.
Almost no one owns the metal they fly. XJT is not wholly owned and the majority of our fleet is owned/leased by DAL and UAL then subleased to us. The exception being most of the CR7 fleet and the older CR2's.

Every 900 in Delta paint, regardless of operator, is owned by DAL. Obviously this is so Delta can whipsaw their operators and transfer airplanes where they want to. Scope language at all the DCI carriers would prevent that from happening.
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Old 09-05-2014 | 09:37 AM
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It ends when mainline takes the flying back, till then, status quo.
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Old 09-05-2014 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
It ends when mainline takes the flying back, till then, status quo.
The chances of that happening are zero. We need another plan.
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Old 09-05-2014 | 09:43 AM
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How about not voting in sh!tt!y contracts!
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Old 09-05-2014 | 10:20 AM
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http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/pre...er-8-13-13.pdf

August 13, 2013
The fee-for-departure (FFD) carrier pilot groups represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA) met at ALPA's headquarters on August 8-9. In attendance were representatives from the Air Wisconsin, American Eagle, ASA, CommutAir, Compass, Endeavor Air (formerly Pinnacle), ExpressJet, Jazz Aviation, Mesa Air Group, Piedmont, PSA, and TSA Master Executive Councils (MECs), and Captain Lee Moak, ALPA president.
ALPA representatives recognize the continually changing nature of the airline industry, including the downward pressure applied by airline managements, forces related to consolidation, threats posed by non-U.S. and Canadian carriers, unpredictable fuel costs, and economic stagnation.
The Association and its members are willing to work productively and cooperatively with management to address future industry concerns provided that management agrees to recognize and negotiate collective bargaining agreements that
 attract qualified applicants to the pilot profession; and
 acknowledge the training, experience, education and contributions of existing
pilots flying each brand's passengers.
Mainline carriers must also work with the Association to ensure that pilots are available to satisfy their future needs.
The Association will not permit whipsawing of its FFD pilot groups. Specifically, the undersigned MEC chairmen affirm that they do not support the creation of different contract provisions that apply in the future only to new pilots (commonly known as “B- Scales”). The undersigned recognize that the prevention of B-Scales has been a top priority of the Association for more than 20 years, and they continue to support the Association's existing policies and elimination of disparate treatment of pilots.
While the Association acknowledges that contracts must be flexible enough to accommodate the needs of different carriers and airline systems, it believes firmly that all FFD contracts should promote career paths to mainline carriers for those interested, in addition to the above-mentioned contract goals.
ALPA's FFD MECs will continue to meet regularly and coordinate with non-ALPA pilot groups to share bargaining information and priorities, and assess and apply approaches that reflect these principles. The Association, through its President and other means, will communicate to company managements and ALPA members to enhance understanding of industry changes and our direction.
In Unity,
Capt. Lee Moak, ALPA President Capt. Richard Swindell, Air Wisconsin Capt. Tony Gutierrez, American Eagle Capt. Dave Nieuwenhuis, ASA
Capt. John Bassett, CommutAir
Capt. Daniel Schultz, Compass
Capt. Tom Wychor, Endeavor Air
Capt. Chris Grable, ExpressJet
Capt. Claude Buraglia, Jazz Aviation F/O Marcin Kolodziejczyk, Mesa Air Group
Capt. Bruce Freedman, Piedmont Capt. Jesse Coeling, PSA
Capt. Cliff Simmons, Trans States
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Old 09-05-2014 | 01:26 PM
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Regional airlines are similar to the rats on a sinking ship, not sure if circling the drain is worse than the sharks!
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