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Old 11-17-2014 | 11:14 AM
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I don't get agreeing to concessions when your company is profitable. Why do pilots do that? Scared?
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Old 11-17-2014 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I don't get agreeing to concessions when your company is profitable. Why do pilots do that? Scared?
If you're at mainline, I would agree with your statement. If you're one of the regional out there who serve simply as contractor, not so much.
Working at one of the WO doesn't mean a thing to AAG in terms of sharing the prosperity. We have to compete with every single regional out there who are trying to outbid the flying. Try go to republic and see if they get a big raise just because delta, AAG and United are making record profits.
Not trying to change anyone's view, these are just my opinion.
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Old 11-17-2014 | 12:33 PM
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It is ridiculous to think that you should be paid more just because the company is profitable. Would the receptionist, or janitor, or electrician expect these things? Pilots are not special. At the regional level, we are just another contract employee.

I understand the romance of "holding the line", but it doesn't work that way. You eat the crap that they put in front of you, and you move on. That is how it works. If you do not like the benefits and pay that a job offer, do not take the job. It drives me crazy when people go to work at a company, and try to change the company to meet their needs. It doesn't work that way. If the company wants to change the benefits and pay, then you need to leave and go elsewhere if you do not like the changes.
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Old 11-17-2014 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
That's even worse. The senior lifers agreed to the bait and switch knowing they'd split leaving those more junior to potentially get stuck flying banged up old 145's that pay less then 175's and for a long, long time should AA stop hiring (which means other legacies likely have too).

Sounds like chickens coming home to roost, if not now, then possibly very soon. I'd be holding my breath, if I was you.
Not understanding you...should I be mad or something? We don't care what we fly...keep your jets. That way I can keep enjoying my contract as is, and enjoy my flow Long live the Dash!
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Old 11-17-2014 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Doesn't that sound like what's always gone on at the regional level? And with the retirements of both US Airways and American I don't see hiring stopping at all over the next 10 years.

Along with many lifers leaving the same amount are staying. Mostly the guys with less then 5 years. They will be able to Retire at Piedmont since it's one of the few Regionals that has a retirement.

Now many of our 5-7 year FO's are upgrading. We don't have people jumping ship anymore. Our contract doesn't change until we get 145's or 175's. And like I said we could care less now! The Dash is a fun plane to fly and we have movement for the first time in like 10 years.

Kinda nice.
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Dude I don't know what planet your from. But all our senior guys aren't going to fly 175's. Many of our senior lifers have changed teams and have flown to AA and are flying an Airbus now.

PDT has movement now and most PDT people could care less about any 145's.
How many flow slots does PDT have?
The movement must be glacial.
If the APA caves on scope there could be 100's of RJ's coming the regional way; thereby comprising an even larger portion of the domestic route structure. With people willing to fly them at a max. pay of $93, I would bet that would have a definite effect on AAG's hiring. At least on the legacy side.
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Old 11-17-2014 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by trailBrake
How many flow slots does PDT have?
The movement must be glacial.
If the APA caves on scope there could be 100's of RJ's coming the regional way; thereby comprising an even larger portion of the domestic route structure. With people willing to fly them at a max. pay of $93, I would bet that would have a definite effect on AAG's hiring. At least on the legacy side.
Considering we only have over 300 pilots its 3 a month however they are allowing and hiring outside the flow. Piedmont has been shrinking and stagnant for the last 10 years. Going from 110 planes down to 38. If we double our fleet the flow increases. Believe me we were already the "dead man walking." New TA atleast breathed new life into a dying airline.
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Old 11-17-2014 | 01:46 PM
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Rumor is Tsa got some AA flying. Waiting on announcement.
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Old 11-17-2014 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by knobcrk
Rumor is Tsa got some AA flying. Waiting on announcement.
No way, they'll be lucky to staff the new united flying
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Old 11-17-2014 | 01:59 PM
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Might as well throw Mesa in bidding for them AA EJETs.
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Old 11-17-2014 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond
It is ridiculous to think that you should be paid more just because the company is profitable. Would the receptionist, or janitor, or electrician expect these things? Pilots are not special. At the regional level, we are just another contract employee.

I understand the romance of "holding the line", but it doesn't work that way. You eat the crap that they put in front of you, and you move on. That is how it works. If you do not like the benefits and pay that a job offer, do not take the job. It drives me crazy when people go to work at a company, and try to change the company to meet their needs. It doesn't work that way. If the company wants to change the benefits and pay, then you need to leave and go elsewhere if you do not like the changes.


By the same logic, it would be ridiculous to think that management would expect a pilot group to take concessions when a company is not profitable. However, that has occurred on several occasions.

The problem with your statement about moving on is that it's not happening or at least it hasn't been for the past 10 years.

Regarding pilots being special.....well maybe you're not special but as for the rest of us.....

Leave the company? Really? So the guy who has vested 10 years / is a Captain / makes a decent salary / and has contributed to the success of his company is supposed to pack up his gear and go to another regional? Another regional where his experience does not matter? Another regional where his seniority is lost? Another regional where he will sit reserve in some crappy crashpad for at least 6 months? Another regional where the pilots are treated the same as a FA / ramper / gate agent / etc? Another regional because some guy with a business degree doesn't understand loyalty? I don't think so. I think that guy sticks it out at his current company, does everything he can to make it better for himself and those who follow. I think that guy hangs on until he is magically swept up to the heavenly grounds of the Majors. That guy is not leaving......BUD!
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