Kforekyle

I agree the Captains should get their shot in senority based order and then the Fo's, but if you really think about your not going straight to the left seat in Delta. So being in the right seat of a regional to the right seat of a major would be an easier transition. So these Captains that don't think Fo should get a shot should give it a rest. A pilots a pilot, let's stop drawing that line and get behind one another.

Mesabah

No one, in 121 has paid their dues more than a regional FO that has been stuck in the right seat for 7+ years.

Erdude32

I'd disagree again, I'd say the Regional Captains have paid more dues and they have the command experience that will ultimately make them a better candidate for an interview (and hopefully the job at the major of their choice).

There are currently, roughly, 9500 Captains at all the Regionals in the US. Please explain to me again why the a Endeavor FO's are entitled to interview ahead of them?

It's pretty interesting that the last couple of pages of posts bashing me and personalizing the debate come from posters with less than 10 total posts...wonder why all these new screen names are popping up out of the woodwork to destroy any dissenting opnion???

Btw, I'm not a Regional Captain or a Mainline Captain, but I have been one in the past. Until you've passed a Fed Ride and made the command decisions you don't have a clue what your taking about and you're simply coming off as a poor sport who picked the loosing team but now want a direct shot at the playoffs for a chance to make it to the championship game. Again, don't like how the game is played? Apply elsewhere.

Not a single solitary post on here has anyone jumped up and down and screamed that SWA or Fedex should hires FO's with no TPIC so why should Delta?

Mesabah

It's because Endeavor pilots are in a position to negotiate that particular item with Delta management. It has nothing to do with entitlement, you simply get what you can negotiate. Your management put a Delta career on the table as a negotiable item to solve their Endeavor staffing crisis.

cencal83406

Delta shouldn't hire anyone based on other's pre-conceived notions. They should hire based on the market. If that market includes FOs, so be it. If they interview well they are just as deserving of a CJO as a CA who interviews well. Whether they get selected to interview is completely up to the HR department. I do love how you have missed or avoided the fact that your company has hired 121 regional FOs. This year as a matter of fact.

There are weak CAs and strong FOs. There are bump-on-log FOs and instructor CAs. If a résumé is strong enough and recommendations point out a great candidate, in the end, as long as they can be a valuable member of the team and pass training, that's all that matters. CA time is a great metric, but it's not the only one.

Erdude32

I actually agree with yours & the previous post. This is a negotiated deal to attempt to reduce attrition. Do I have to agree with it? No. Will it work? I predict it will work as well as EtD & SSP. Yes there have been 121 FOs hired in the past, every application is scored based on many criteria not just TPIC. If the overall application meets the competitive score to be offered an interview then it's their job to loose. Delta WANTS to hire everyone it interviews.

All the FOs on here salivating at a guaranteed interview be careful what you wish for. You blow the interview,game over. If you get it, GREAT....welcome aboard and I'll do my best to help mentor ANY new hires into the best they can become. Despite what you may think of my opinion on this subject I'm not a shallow self centered tool box who wants to pull the ladder up. I want the best & brightest (and fun to fly with) candidates we can attract.

Good luck to all who apply, honestly.

CBreezy

Exactly. Just because an FO has not been afforded an opportunity to upgrade doesn't mean he isn't just as capable as a Captain. What is important here is that no one DESERVES an interview. It is not a right and being a regional captain, while a valuable discriminator, does not mean you are owed anything.

I know I personally feel bad for the poor timing of some of the guy who got to a regional in the post 9/11 era. You hear the stories of stagnation due to passenger demand, rolling legacy bankruptcies, age 65, the 2008 financial crisis, and more. No one wants them to be stuck forever at a regional. On the other hand, while we are all used to the seniority system and getting what we want by just breathing, outside of our little pilot groups, it is dog-eat-dog. If I can leverage education, connections, additional activities or whatever else to beat a 7 year captain to a major, I will.

Wynncore

You mean "it is their job to lose."

Loose and lose are two different things Captain. I would have assumed that somebody with a resume as talented as yours and a high demand for perfection would mean that you would at least take the time to proofread your posts. I have a feeling that your inability to proofread, let alone spell, carries over into the cockpit making you a below average Captain and one who gets caught by the small things...explain to me why a person who cannot spell correctly is Delta material? How did you get there?

Mesabah

No, actually you should like it, and I'll tell you why. Why do you think you deserve a raise in contract 2015? Why do you feel you are entitled to that Delta money over the share holders, and management? Well, it's because you work your ass off for those company profits. It's the same thing a DCI pilot does.

That's why your comments got the reaction that they did.

Colnago

Wasn't Marvin Renslow a captain too?