Anything New At AWAC?
02-24-2015 | 07:45 AM
#252
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So you can fly with guys like me? 
Just joking...
How to get through the sim: study. Use your down time during ground school to review the material. That doesn't mean you can't let some steam off but don't think all you need to do is sit in class and osmosis will do the rest. When you get to the CPT and sim, KNOW YOUR PROFILES. Everyone is told that before you get into the box, but one of the common complaints from the instructors is seeing pilots not following the profiles. So, armchair fly with your CPT/sim partner in front of the posters. It really, really helps! And if you really screw the pooch on a maneuver, say so - in the heat of the moment, you're trying your best to recover and hope it isn't noticed (it is...). If you know what you did wrong and vocalize it, your instructor will have an idea that you know what you should have done instead of wondering if you don't have a clue.
One more thing... you'll always be pressed to move on, especially when running things like single-engine operation QRH checklists: "Wisconsin 3456, you ready for the approach?" Ask for a delay vector to get everything done. Again, knowing the profiles and knowing how to brief approaches will help out lots. Rush things and you end up behind the power curve and end up doing something boneheaded. Been there, done that, learned my lesson!
Uh, yeah... what the other guys said while I was pecking away. Good luck, study hard!
Just joking...How to get through the sim: study. Use your down time during ground school to review the material. That doesn't mean you can't let some steam off but don't think all you need to do is sit in class and osmosis will do the rest. When you get to the CPT and sim, KNOW YOUR PROFILES. Everyone is told that before you get into the box, but one of the common complaints from the instructors is seeing pilots not following the profiles. So, armchair fly with your CPT/sim partner in front of the posters. It really, really helps! And if you really screw the pooch on a maneuver, say so - in the heat of the moment, you're trying your best to recover and hope it isn't noticed (it is...). If you know what you did wrong and vocalize it, your instructor will have an idea that you know what you should have done instead of wondering if you don't have a clue.
One more thing... you'll always be pressed to move on, especially when running things like single-engine operation QRH checklists: "Wisconsin 3456, you ready for the approach?" Ask for a delay vector to get everything done. Again, knowing the profiles and knowing how to brief approaches will help out lots. Rush things and you end up behind the power curve and end up doing something boneheaded. Been there, done that, learned my lesson!
Uh, yeah... what the other guys said while I was pecking away. Good luck, study hard!
02-24-2015 | 08:15 AM
#253
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Good grief, I've never seen people complain so much about training that they passed.......That being, all sarcastic remarks and telling me to go elsewhere,I wanna be at AWAC, any tips of trade to get through sim? This is my first part 121, I did however take a CRJ systems class and about 10 non full motions sims at my university that was "designed" to be somewhat be like a airline ground school since they figure most of us 121 bound will fly the CRJ.
02-24-2015 | 08:37 AM
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I read what the Navy guy wrote on the last page. He said he screwed something up on his checride and was offered the opportunity to do it again...no pink slip? So, does AWAC allow you to do things over on your checkride if you screw something up?
02-24-2015 | 08:56 AM
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You heard the stats. 18% fail and 80% need additional training. So statistically speaking, 2% made it w/o additional training but if you already had a CRJ class, you already had a leg up. But you will have to dump the flow/callout you learn and substitue with that of the AWACs.
02-24-2015 | 09:22 AM
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[QUOTE=CAirBear;1829894]
They do have a structured syllabus...you have to have a training manual in order to have 121 certificate. The syllabus is not available to everyone and doesn't need to be.
I've seen the syllabus in development and it is very detailed down to each hour of training and what should be covered. You are in the deep end here trying to impugn the training department for not being organized. Execution is another matter...but there again it is more anecdotal than systemic in it's shortcomings.
I've seen the syllabus in development and it is very detailed down to each hour of training and what should be covered. You are in the deep end here trying to impugn the training department for not being organized. Execution is another matter...but there again it is more anecdotal than systemic in it's shortcomings.
02-24-2015 | 10:42 AM
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I dunno, are you really interested in fixing the problem you talk about or just complaining to people who don't work here? Complaints usually go up, not down to get anything accomplished. Every time I read anything you post it's about the training department. You either had a horrible experience, got let go, or feel inclined to fight for the injustice that is firing people who don't cut it.
Other companies manage to get low hour hires online, and say what you will about Comair, their training department managed to get a lot of even lower time trainees through their training.
02-24-2015 | 01:16 PM
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He couldn't pass his checkride, the company gave him several chances with different instructors. A lot of the 146 guys struggled several were let go.
He went nuts, the company knew he was an FFDO and reported it. The manager who reported it was the guy who hired me. Couldn't have been a nicer guy at that company (he now works for the FAA).
This lawsuit was more about giving airlines immunity for reporting incidents like the above than defamation.
If an armed pilot went nuts on the staff, and boarded a flight soon afterward, would you want him on your flight? We don't even allow drunk people on board.
This incident has absolutely nothing to do with initial training and the failure rate. There is one guy on here who had issues with training yet the vast majority of us on here had zero and in fact praise the training there.
I knew guys who failed checkrides at AWAC. All of them, in one way or another, deserved it. Sorry that's harsh, but it's reality.
If you have the physical ability to fly the airplane, and the attitude that you want to be there, you'll make it.
When I went through, I had a green instructor, and had the hardest checkpilot at the time (Clint M...back then he was a hard ass) and both my sim partner and I both passed no issues.
He went nuts, the company knew he was an FFDO and reported it. The manager who reported it was the guy who hired me. Couldn't have been a nicer guy at that company (he now works for the FAA).
This lawsuit was more about giving airlines immunity for reporting incidents like the above than defamation.
If an armed pilot went nuts on the staff, and boarded a flight soon afterward, would you want him on your flight? We don't even allow drunk people on board.
This incident has absolutely nothing to do with initial training and the failure rate. There is one guy on here who had issues with training yet the vast majority of us on here had zero and in fact praise the training there.
I knew guys who failed checkrides at AWAC. All of them, in one way or another, deserved it. Sorry that's harsh, but it's reality.
If you have the physical ability to fly the airplane, and the attitude that you want to be there, you'll make it.
When I went through, I had a green instructor, and had the hardest checkpilot at the time (Clint M...back then he was a hard ass) and both my sim partner and I both passed no issues.
Yeah, it appears your information is not accurate. Hoeper was a great guy, in fact he was a great instructor. Fact he won the defamation law suit, that fact was never disputed by the supreme court. The supreme court stated that airlines have immunity in such cases. Does not make it right, it just makes it the law. The supreme court did NOT rule that Hoeper was not defamed.
People can drink the cool aid all they want regarding their employers. Good for you that you are treated fairly by your employer, many other employees are not. In many places Managers just are after certain people, trying to find a "legitimate" excuse to fire someone.
the Facts appear to show that Hoeper "failed his check ride" then WAS BOOKED POSITIVE SPACE after "failing the check ride" then the defamation call was made to the TSA. If the above is true why would any manager book positive space to an employee they believed was mentally unstable and "believed to be carrying"? Why? (one theory is it was done to embarrass Hoeper)
Hmm is it lawful for anyone to carry while on a training event? After the authorities caught up with him on the airplane was he carrying? NO
Just read the case law through colorado, not just the supreme court ruling.
Once again he won his defamation lawsuit, the supreme court ruled that airlines have immunity in such situations. Immunity, similar to a diplomat in the usa. Diplomats may not be prosecuted for crimes.
Please dont drink the coolaid and defame this great man again. He did nothing to you.
02-24-2015 | 01:34 PM
#260
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Wanna get through the sim? Know your profiles and call outs. Know what to do and when to do it and what to say and when to say it.
Profiles are what the simulator is all about.
The profiles are in the books and if you do a lot of chair flying before the simulator it goes a long way to being successful. Sit with your sim partner in front of your paper tiger mockup and talk through it. Over and over and over again.
That helped me at least.
Profiles are what the simulator is all about.
The profiles are in the books and if you do a lot of chair flying before the simulator it goes a long way to being successful. Sit with your sim partner in front of your paper tiger mockup and talk through it. Over and over and over again.
That helped me at least.
I do not understand why so many complain about how hard it is to get through sim training at AWAC. Isn't that the same difficulty at evry other regional?
Why would AWAC be harder?
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