Anything New At AWAC?
01-07-2015 | 12:56 PM
#31
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Nothing is new at AWAC. No iPads, new flying, new paint, AA travel benefits. If you left this place in 2009 and were to come back right now, it would be just like you left it except for a crew self service site that may or may not work on any given day or computer.
As far as all this movement goes, there really isn't that much. The last vacancy results rendered 12 new captains of which I think 4 had been bypassing for a long time. These new captains have a start date of March so assuming this pace continues it will net 48 captains for the entire year. A lot of FO's are leaving before they even reach their one year mark, so that is why a lot of the newer guys are seeing so much movement.
I have no idea what these goals are or were that FOD keeps talking about that we have met to extend our flying with US/AA. If we had to meet goals that would help us keep flying, don't you think they would tell us so that we could help meet them? I think they would. Management likes to just tell us stuff to keep our hopes up so that we won't all deplete our sick banks and leave them unable to do the flying.
You can make more money here than at a few of the other regionals by picking up a lot of open time, which is probably how Chip made that much on second year pay. I never broke 50K as an FO without per diem, but I don't pick stuff up.
As far as all this movement goes, there really isn't that much. The last vacancy results rendered 12 new captains of which I think 4 had been bypassing for a long time. These new captains have a start date of March so assuming this pace continues it will net 48 captains for the entire year. A lot of FO's are leaving before they even reach their one year mark, so that is why a lot of the newer guys are seeing so much movement.
I have no idea what these goals are or were that FOD keeps talking about that we have met to extend our flying with US/AA. If we had to meet goals that would help us keep flying, don't you think they would tell us so that we could help meet them? I think they would. Management likes to just tell us stuff to keep our hopes up so that we won't all deplete our sick banks and leave them unable to do the flying.
You can make more money here than at a few of the other regionals by picking up a lot of open time, which is probably how Chip made that much on second year pay. I never broke 50K as an FO without per diem, but I don't pick stuff up.
The extension is real, and a longer contract is also likely real. Our company is not perfect but things are 95% positive and potential employees should know this is one of the best regionals to work at.
If you keep with the negativity you will help drive everyone away and it then will become a self-fulfilling prophecy...
01-09-2015 | 05:51 AM
#32
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Considering the above uncertainties about AWAC contrasted with the strengths of the company, where would that leave somebody who was looking at it for a place to gain initial 121 experience who WASN'T there looking to upgrade to Captain?
01-09-2015 | 06:38 AM
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I mean you can spend 4-5 glorious years gaining 121 time from the right seat, if you are not in it for the pic time. You can wear an awesome bus driver hat also.
01-09-2015 | 07:22 AM
#34
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I'm at awac. Probably biased, but trying to be objective. So these are just facts
-upgrade is current ~4 years. Has been dropping, sharply, was over 7 less then 1 year ago. Any guess that this will continue to decrease beyond this is speculation. Yes we have people leaving, but no one truly know how much further that number will drop.
-no one knows what will happen after 2015. This fact should be 100% shouted from the rafters. Will 100% of our flying stop? very, very unlikely, but both sides of this argument are basically fighting over hearsay speculation and that's about it. AWAC lower to middle management (ie none of the 6 owners) have said there is an extension past 2015. That's all we know. Anything else is rumor to be frank.
-This is probably the best regional you can work for. Pay rates are good, work rules are probably the best, reserve sucks but what you gonna do.
-We are a privately held company, no one but the 6 awesome, fun loving, best brah's eva, jabronis, that actually own this place know if will be around in 2015,2017,2020,3454(go go mars overnight(so what if the 200 can't get to 310, how much further can mars actually be?)). So understand that it is a calculated risk.
-That being said, best regional left, the closet one really isn't that close when you run all the numbers.
source:
(year 2, 15-17 off a month, 50k, top insurance in the industary (inculding majors), free cheese balls during training, no one else can do that, once again grain on salt the next few year are currently shaky at best)
P.P.S - def not an awac fap-a-thon, coming here after the delta corn-hole-e-o is 100% a calculated risk, but if the doors will stay open for a few years it is 100% the best place to be. Just my opinion, but 70% of the time im right all the time. Stay classy APC
-upgrade is current ~4 years. Has been dropping, sharply, was over 7 less then 1 year ago. Any guess that this will continue to decrease beyond this is speculation. Yes we have people leaving, but no one truly know how much further that number will drop.
-no one knows what will happen after 2015. This fact should be 100% shouted from the rafters. Will 100% of our flying stop? very, very unlikely, but both sides of this argument are basically fighting over hearsay speculation and that's about it. AWAC lower to middle management (ie none of the 6 owners) have said there is an extension past 2015. That's all we know. Anything else is rumor to be frank.
-This is probably the best regional you can work for. Pay rates are good, work rules are probably the best, reserve sucks but what you gonna do.
-We are a privately held company, no one but the 6 awesome, fun loving, best brah's eva, jabronis, that actually own this place know if will be around in 2015,2017,2020,3454(go go mars overnight(so what if the 200 can't get to 310, how much further can mars actually be?)). So understand that it is a calculated risk.
-That being said, best regional left, the closet one really isn't that close when you run all the numbers.
source:
(year 2, 15-17 off a month, 50k, top insurance in the industary (inculding majors), free cheese balls during training, no one else can do that, once again grain on salt the next few year are currently shaky at best)
P.P.S - def not an awac fap-a-thon, coming here after the delta corn-hole-e-o is 100% a calculated risk, but if the doors will stay open for a few years it is 100% the best place to be. Just my opinion, but 70% of the time im right all the time. Stay classy APC
Now only if I could finally return to AWAC without Uncle Sam telling me to go get sand in my crevices. For the short time that I've actually been flying for AWAC, I've really enjoyed it! All the crews that I've been a part of seem to like the company. But, as with any good outfit there will always be some sour grapes. No, I don't like the hat.
01-09-2015 | 09:01 AM
#36
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Count me in for the leather hat and goggles!
As an oh-by-the-way, anybody else invited to interview next week who hasn't heard back about arrangements, documents needed, etc?
01-09-2015 | 09:09 AM
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Looks like I have an interview with AWAC next week in PHL. Recruiter said they'll give me an interview, then if all goes well, a conditional offer or employment and be place in a pool for pilots awaiting the CTP course.....any tips or advice for interview is much appericated......
Live in NY
1650TT
800 turbine (Saab340)
No ATP written
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Live in NY
1650TT
800 turbine (Saab340)
No ATP written
.
01-09-2015 | 09:26 AM
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Looks like I have an interview with AWAC next week in PHL. Recruiter said they'll give me an interview, then if all goes well, a conditional offer or employment and be place in a pool for pilots awaiting the CTP course.....any tips or advice for interview is much appericated......
Live in NY
1650TT
800 turbine (Saab340)
No ATP written
.
Live in NY
1650TT
800 turbine (Saab340)
No ATP written
.
01-09-2015 | 11:12 AM
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Looks like I have an interview with AWAC next week in PHL. Recruiter said they'll give me an interview, then if all goes well, a conditional offer or employment and be place in a pool for pilots awaiting the CTP course.....any tips or advice for interview is much appericated......
Live in NY
1650TT
800 turbine (Saab340)
No ATP written
.
Live in NY
1650TT
800 turbine (Saab340)
No ATP written
.
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