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Old 03-24-2015, 02:46 AM   #11  
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Duty rigs.

Filler.
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Old 03-24-2015, 03:43 AM   #12  
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kahfmi,

Read Flying the Line, George Hopkins explains it all. National Labor Board Decision 83 is the basis for being paid 'by the hour' from a formula derived from speed and weight. This is pretty basic ALPA and industry stuff you should know.

Duty rigs came long after Decision 83 in 1936. ALPA and all the contracts since have been founded on this decision.

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^^^^^^^^
Read Flying the Line, parts 1 & 2. Used to be recommended reading for all airline pilots. My local Union at my first airline job gave you a copy when you got hired.
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Flying The Line 1/2 and Hard Landing should be mandatory reading for people new to 121.

As for airline pay, you kinda do have a "salary", its called minimum guarantee.

Work rules WRT pay aren't THAT complicated, and if one can't figure it out by reading their CBA and seeing a few examples, perhaps operating high speed aluminum tubes through a dynamic fluid environment ain't for you.
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This is an honest question.

The system of pay in the airline industry is beyond convoluted. The rules covering regular pay, soft pay, deadhead pay, breaking guarantee pay...I mean, they make the engineer's panel of a Lockheed Constellation look positively minimalist and simplistic by comparison. Just trying to understand the airline pay system would probably drive an accomplished corporate tax accountant to an early grave.

I know of no other industry that is legally allowed to require an employee to report for work at 0800, finish duty at 2100, and get paid for 4 hours of work. (As happened to me today.)

Why are we paid this way? Why don't we have a system like every other hourly job in America, where you are paid from the time you clock in till the time you clock out, minus perhaps a lunch break?

Why do we allow ourselves to give 13 hours of our lives for 4 hours of pay?

Seriously?
Lol, well it certainly didn't take you long to become cynical. We told you so.
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I know of no other industry that is legally allowed to require an employee to report for work at 0800, finish duty at 2100, and get paid for 4 hours of work. (As happened to me today.)



Why do we allow ourselves to give 13 hours of our lives for 4 hours of pay?

Seriously?
You were on duty for 13 hours and received 4 hours of pay? I thought skywest had a 2:1 duty rig which would of been 6.5 hours of pay? What's the catch with this 2:1 duty rig at skywest?
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You were on duty for 13 hours and received 4 hours of pay? I thought skywest had a 2:1 duty rig which would of been 6.5 hours of pay? What's the catch with this 2:1 duty rig at skywest?
It's only for scheduled duty days. Doesn't apply to delays.
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It's only for scheduled duty days. Doesn't apply to delays.
So in other words, it's completely useless. Haha.
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At my last airline I was paid by the mile...
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If you don't like the pay, don't become an airline pilot. That helps two ways 1. We won't have to listen to you b#tch and moan and 2. It'll push the supply and demand further in our favor.
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