Wheels falling off at RAH
#971
This is what makes me puke about unions. New hires whom make very little money to begin actually are making (close to) livable wages with these bonuses and the union wants to shut it down? Give me a frigging break. Do you know how bad ALPA looked when pointed out the disparity in pay in a Congressional hearing? It was embarrassing.
Giving an 18 year lifer a $15-$20/hr raise but a new hire a $5/hr raise is a joke and the unions should be ashamed of it.
Giving an 18 year lifer a $15-$20/hr raise but a new hire a $5/hr raise is a joke and the unions should be ashamed of it.
Your hate for Unions is clouding your understanding how how section six bargaining works. During the negotiations both parties are supposed to maintain status quo. Company is violating it. Union filed the lawsuit because they and the pilots want those changes into a Cba , not a monthly eBay style pay practice.
Get it now ?
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Your hate for Unions is clouding your understanding how how section six bargaining works. During the negotiations both parties are supposed to maintain status quo. Company is violating it. Union filed the lawsuit because they and the pilots want those changes into a Cba , not a monthly eBay style pay practice.
Get it now ?
Get it now ?
No potential flight student is going to look at a regional and say "wow, I'm going to take on 100k in student loan debt in the hopes that ABC Regional will continue to offer a 20k bonus in 4 years when I can finally qualify to work there". But if the base pay was decent, and there is a solid contract they might. Bonuses slow this industry's transition from bottom shelf to livable career.
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Your hate for Unions is clouding your understanding how how section six bargaining works. During the negotiations both parties are supposed to maintain status quo. Company is violating it. Union filed the lawsuit because they and the pilots want those changes into a Cba , not a monthly eBay style pay practice.
Get it now ?
Get it now ?
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
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RAH approached the union several years ago about raising FO pay substantially and the "union" (read: collective lifers) told them to stuff it. They wanted THEIR raise, as if their six figure income wasn't enough while the FO's make 1/3 of that.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
I've turned down several well paying jobs because, "you have to call us if you want to have a drink because we may be working on a trip for you. You have 2 weeks of vacation but it's pretty much only allowed when the airplane is down for maintenance." Am I a union shill?
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RAH approached the union several years ago about raising FO pay substantially and the "union" (read: collective lifers) told them to stuff it. They wanted THEIR raise, as if their six figure income wasn't enough while the FO's make 1/3 of that.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
Otw, the company could have just reduced pay to what it was whenever they wanted.
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RAH approached the union several years ago about raising FO pay substantially and the "union" (read: collective lifers) told them to stuff it. They wanted THEIR raise, as if their six figure income wasn't enough while the FO's make 1/3 of that.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
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This is what makes me puke about unions. New hires whom make very little money to begin actually are making (close to) livable wages with these bonuses and the union wants to shut it down? Give me a frigging break. Do you know how bad ALPA looked when pointed out the disparity in pay in a Congressional hearing? It was embarrassing.
Giving an 18 year lifer a $15-$20/hr raise but a new hire a $5/hr raise is a joke and the unions should be ashamed of it.
Giving an 18 year lifer a $15-$20/hr raise but a new hire a $5/hr raise is a joke and the unions should be ashamed of it.
I want to also point out that the company DID NOT want to give FOs a raise. That was nothing more than a ploy to make the union look bad. They presented those rates knowing the union wanted an LOA. That was something they were unwilling to even discuss. So they presented them anyway, and when the union voiced their displeasure at the lack of an LOA, the company balked and started their finger pointing. It was a political move that obviously worked on you.
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RAH approached the union several years ago about raising FO pay substantially and the "union" (read: collective lifers) told them to stuff it. They wanted THEIR raise, as if their six figure income wasn't enough while the FO's make 1/3 of that.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
So, the company said F-you, and now offers bonuses. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
Don't get me started.
In 2012 the Company decided it was just going to impose a new FO pay scale outside of the CBA. They didn't want to sit down and draw up an LOA on it.
That sets a pretty dangerous precedent to allow the Company to make their own pay scales up. Once you allow them to do that, they can also lower it when they fell they should.
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Teamsters file lawsuit against Republic Airways over pilot pay | Labor content from ATWOnline
Teamsters file lawsuit against Republic Airways over pilot pay
[UPDATED] The Teamsters union representing pilots at Republic Airways has filed suit against the carrier in federal court in Indianapolis, accusing it of illegally changing work rules and pay while the sides bargain on a new contract.
The lawsuit is unusual as it essentially accuses Republic of paying pilots too much money. The complaint by the Teamsters Local 357 has two main issues. First, it accuses Republic of unilaterally implementing “higher pay rates for additional flying by pilots.” Second, it says Republic is illegally paying signing bonuses to new-hire pilots “to subsidize their wages above the pay rates prescribed by the current collective bargaining agreement.”
The union says it fears the increased pay “undercuts the pilots’ bargaining position.”
Rest of the article available with the link. Really surprised the Teamsters didn't try this long ago.
Teamsters file lawsuit against Republic Airways over pilot pay
[UPDATED] The Teamsters union representing pilots at Republic Airways has filed suit against the carrier in federal court in Indianapolis, accusing it of illegally changing work rules and pay while the sides bargain on a new contract.
The lawsuit is unusual as it essentially accuses Republic of paying pilots too much money. The complaint by the Teamsters Local 357 has two main issues. First, it accuses Republic of unilaterally implementing “higher pay rates for additional flying by pilots.” Second, it says Republic is illegally paying signing bonuses to new-hire pilots “to subsidize their wages above the pay rates prescribed by the current collective bargaining agreement.”
The union says it fears the increased pay “undercuts the pilots’ bargaining position.”
Rest of the article available with the link. Really surprised the Teamsters didn't try this long ago.
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