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Old 08-23-2015 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
why do you think AAG is beefing up PDT/PSA and ENY??? They want each at about 150 aircraft.
So they can manipulate one of the three against the other two to keep things cheap and keep the pilots in line. The same tactic they've already used will work again...
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Old 08-23-2015 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
So they can manipulate one of the three against the other two to keep things cheap and keep the pilots in line. The same tactic they've already used will work again...
Of course! But what I was meaning is after the 3 Wo'ed are beefed up you'll see a reduction in Republic flying. On the AAG side.
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Old 08-23-2015 | 06:39 PM
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Of course! But what I was meaning is after the 3 Wo'ed are beefed up you'll see a reduction in Republic flying. On the AAG side.
Possible I suppose, but even with the reductions in flying we are still opening a new LGA base to support AE ops and rumor has it JFK is next. 170's from DCA will shift to LGA and more 175's will move into the DC market. MIA looks interesting with a possible satellite base for envoy, which would be good for those guys. My guess however is that it is temporary. We still have another 40 options for AE 175's that could be exercised if a contract passes. That would drop upgrades even more and could make things very interesting.
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Old 08-23-2015 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
Possible I suppose, but even with the reductions in flying we are still opening a new LGA base to support AE ops and rumor has it JFK is next. 170's from DCA will shift to LGA and more 175's will move into the DC market. MIA looks interesting with a possible satellite base for envoy, which would be good for those guys. My guess however is that it is temporary. We still have another 40 options for AE 175's that could be exercised if a contract passes. That would drop upgrades even more and could make things very interesting.

Then you'll be competing against WO'ed for pilots. Should be interesting for sure.
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Old 08-23-2015 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
So they can manipulate one of the three against the other two to keep things cheap and keep the pilots in line. The same tactic they've already used will work again...
It's the same lame-a$$ed play they ran against us when we were Wings West, scummons, flagship, and whatever Puerto Rico was called then. I can't remember. Executive. Ya. That was it

They figure they got a new crop of pilots that have not learned from the past--what the hay, let's do it again.

Please let that dam place die on the vine already.
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Old 08-23-2015 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Then you'll be competing against WO'ed for pilots. Should be interesting for sure.
The two things the wholly owned operators have to offer is flow that can slow and upgrades entirely dependent on new hires coming in the front door. If RAH gets $40.00/hr first year pay, trip and duty rigs, full cancelation pay, and a quick upgrade on the large amount of aircraft coming to market, I think the wholly owned carriers might find themselves outgunned. And as an opinion I think the final contract RAH pilots vote on will look better than the llllbfo we currently have in front of us. Competition will heat up for sure.
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Old 08-23-2015 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
The two things the wholly owned operators have to offer is flow that can slow and upgrades entirely dependent on new hires coming in the front door. If RAH gets $40.00/hr first year pay, trip and duty rigs, full cancelation pay, and a quick upgrade on the large amount of aircraft coming to market, I think the wholly owned carriers might find themselves outgunned. And as an opinion I think the final contract RAH pilots vote on will look better than the llllbfo we currently have in front of us. Competition will heat up for sure.
Did you get that crazy insurance cost under control??? That's one thing the WO'ed have that's great.
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Old 08-23-2015 | 07:29 PM
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[QUOTE=TurbineTime;1955511]The two things the wholly owned operators have to offer is flow that can slow and upgrades entirely dependent on new hires coming in the front door. If RAH gets $40.00/hr first year pay, trip and duty rigs, full cancelation pay, and a quick upgrade on the large amount of aircraft coming to market, I think the wholly owned carriers might find themselves outgunned. And as an opinion I think the final contract RAH pilots vote on will look better than the llllbfo we currently have in front of us. Competition will heat up for .

So you think AAG got all 3 of their WOs flow, pay capped just for fun? Only to be out gunned by republic? I'm not raining on anyone's parade but I just totally disagree with your logic here.
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Old 08-23-2015 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bootleg
It's the same lame-a$$ed play they ran against us when we were Wings West, scummons, flagship, and whatever Puerto Rico was called then. I can't remember. Executive. Ya. That was it

They figure they got a new crop of pilots that have not learned from the past--what the hay, let's do it again.

Please let that dam place die on the vine already.
LOL. So true. This is like a remade movie after 20years!! Same story. Same ending. New actors...
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Old 08-23-2015 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
RAH has been paying off debt at an incredible rate They own outright the largest fleet of ejets, which are proving to be the desired fleet type for the next decade and beyond. They support an increasingly large percentage of operations for all three major carriers, lift that cannot be automatically transferred to another FFD carrier. Although the future at RAH is uncertain, I think it is disingenuous to say they don't have many assets. They have more than any other regional, because they own the aircraft.
The airplanes are owned by the Export Bank of Brazil until RAH pays them off.

RAH doesn't own all the 170/175 which are operated by them and their subsidiaries. On the 3Q 10Q they show liabilities (debt) of $2.8 billion against cash of $191 million.

That isn't a fantastic cash position.
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