Wheels falling off at RAH
08-23-2015 | 03:30 PM
#1461
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Republic is going to reorganize. You don't see that? You don't see the airplanes just sitting around with bills to be paid? You don't see the flying has been given away into 2016?
What pilots are you going to attract at 40/hour? Where are they coming from? The great FO shuffle is over. Said FO's will be captains in a year, they are not leaving their current airlines to come sit at republic for a 7 year upgrade or whatever its down to today.
Unfortunately, reorganization has nothing to do with money anymore. It's everything that's wrong with bankruptcy law in this country.
What other explanation is there for seabury?
What pilots are you going to attract at 40/hour? Where are they coming from? The great FO shuffle is over. Said FO's will be captains in a year, they are not leaving their current airlines to come sit at republic for a 7 year upgrade or whatever its down to today.
Unfortunately, reorganization has nothing to do with money anymore. It's everything that's wrong with bankruptcy law in this country.
What other explanation is there for seabury?
The FO shuffle is not over. If RAH signs a deal with its pilots that raises FO pay by this magnitude it will all but stop new hires from going to the sweat shops like Mesa, which will in turn stop the quick upgrades. No new aircraft have been announced there and the flow of planes to PSA is slowing dramatically. Also, the 145's have yet to show up at PDT. There are pleanty of carriers whose pilots will jump at a higher FO rate. Not to mention the fact that RAH has over 60 aircraft showing up on property for which it can't currently staff. The upgrade party will be huge.
RAH just recently broke ground on a training facility in IND that is nearly 3 times the size of its current space. They paid down 90 million in early debt payments and still have 40-80 c-series aircraft on order. They are testing the waters with this LBFO to see what they can get away with, but they have major plans in store. That is why this vote (if it comes to that) is so important.
The reductions in flying have been temporary so far, the codeshare partners are watching very carefully to see what the next move will be.
08-23-2015 | 03:51 PM
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Seabury has been a partner with RAH management for some time now, the company released information regarding their presence in order to scare the entire employee group (not just the pilots) in an effort to get votes.
The FO shuffle is not over. If RAH signs a deal with its pilots that raises FO pay by this magnitude it will all but stop new hires from going to the sweat shops like Mesa, which will in turn stop the quick upgrades. No new aircraft have been announced there and the flow of planes to PSA is slowing dramatically. Also, the 145's have yet to show up at PDT. There are pleanty of carriers whose pilots will jump at a higher FO rate. Not to mention the fact that RAH has over 60 aircraft showing up on property for which it can't currently staff. The upgrade party will be huge.
RAH just recently broke ground on a training facility in IND that is nearly 3 times the size of its current space. They paid down 90 million in early debt payments and still have 40-80 c-series aircraft on order. They are testing the waters with this LBFO to see what they can get away with, but they have major plans in store. That is why this vote (if it comes to that) is so important.
The reductions in flying have been temporary so far, the codeshare partners are watching very carefully to see what the next move will be.
The FO shuffle is not over. If RAH signs a deal with its pilots that raises FO pay by this magnitude it will all but stop new hires from going to the sweat shops like Mesa, which will in turn stop the quick upgrades. No new aircraft have been announced there and the flow of planes to PSA is slowing dramatically. Also, the 145's have yet to show up at PDT. There are pleanty of carriers whose pilots will jump at a higher FO rate. Not to mention the fact that RAH has over 60 aircraft showing up on property for which it can't currently staff. The upgrade party will be huge.
RAH just recently broke ground on a training facility in IND that is nearly 3 times the size of its current space. They paid down 90 million in early debt payments and still have 40-80 c-series aircraft on order. They are testing the waters with this LBFO to see what they can get away with, but they have major plans in store. That is why this vote (if it comes to that) is so important.
The reductions in flying have been temporary so far, the codeshare partners are watching very carefully to see what the next move will be.
This industry has been run thru by every union busting method known. FINALLY the whipsaw is thru and the shoe is on the other foot. And all u can propose is accepting a LBFO which is really where we should start from. This is a game. When fuel prices go up do u hear how the company has to park aircraft? For the life of me I don't understand why pilots flying a 76 seat plane, on mainline routes, feel they need to accept ANY offer from a company, that is run by a mega company, that is essentially printing money, that is anything less than mainline pay. And while we're at it, adjusted for inflation on the mainline level. Too long have theese corporate entities made millions off the backs of their employees only to file for bankruptcy and get a second chance. **** them. This is the situation they have created. If they wish for the gravy train to roll, they will pay us every dime of what we are reasonably asking for, or they can suck a fat dick. Which is to say maybe bend an inch to what a free market is demanding.
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08-23-2015 | 03:53 PM
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Seabury has been a partner with RAH management for some time now, the company released information regarding their presence in order to scare the entire employee group (not just the pilots) in an effort to get votes.
The FO shuffle is not over. If RAH signs a deal with its pilots that raises FO pay by this magnitude it will all but stop new hires from going to the sweat shops like Mesa, which will in turn stop the quick upgrades. No new aircraft have been announced there and the flow of planes to PSA is slowing dramatically. Also, the 145's have yet to show up at PDT. There are pleanty of carriers whose pilots will jump at a higher FO rate. Not to mention the fact that RAH has over 60 aircraft showing up on property for which it can't currently staff. The upgrade party will be huge.
RAH just recently broke ground on a training facility in IND that is nearly 3 times the size of its current space. They paid down 90 million in early debt payments and still have 40-80 c-series aircraft on order. They are testing the waters with this LBFO to see what they can get away with, but they have major plans in store. That is why this vote (if it comes to that) is so important.
The reductions in flying have been temporary so far, the codeshare partners are watching very carefully to see what the next move will be.
The FO shuffle is not over. If RAH signs a deal with its pilots that raises FO pay by this magnitude it will all but stop new hires from going to the sweat shops like Mesa, which will in turn stop the quick upgrades. No new aircraft have been announced there and the flow of planes to PSA is slowing dramatically. Also, the 145's have yet to show up at PDT. There are pleanty of carriers whose pilots will jump at a higher FO rate. Not to mention the fact that RAH has over 60 aircraft showing up on property for which it can't currently staff. The upgrade party will be huge.
RAH just recently broke ground on a training facility in IND that is nearly 3 times the size of its current space. They paid down 90 million in early debt payments and still have 40-80 c-series aircraft on order. They are testing the waters with this LBFO to see what they can get away with, but they have major plans in store. That is why this vote (if it comes to that) is so important.
The reductions in flying have been temporary so far, the codeshare partners are watching very carefully to see what the next move will be.
08-23-2015 | 04:47 PM
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You are either a troll, or mentally retarded...
This industry has been run thru by every union busting method known. FINALLY the whipsaw is thru and the shoe is on the other foot. And all u can propose is accepting a LBFO which is really where we should start from. This is a game. When fuel prices go up do u hear how the company has to park aircraft? For the life of me I don't understand why pilots flying a 76 seat plane, on mainline routes, feel they need to accept ANY offer from a company, that is run by a mega company, that is essentially printing money, that is anything less than mainline pay. And while we're at it, adjusted for inflation on the mainline level. Too long have theese corporate entities made millions off the backs of their employees only to file for bankruptcy and get a second chance. **** them. This is the situation they have created. If they wish for the gravy train to roll, they will pay us every dime of what we are reasonably asking for, or they can suck a fat dick. Which is to say maybe bend an inch to what a free market is demanding.
This industry has been run thru by every union busting method known. FINALLY the whipsaw is thru and the shoe is on the other foot. And all u can propose is accepting a LBFO which is really where we should start from. This is a game. When fuel prices go up do u hear how the company has to park aircraft? For the life of me I don't understand why pilots flying a 76 seat plane, on mainline routes, feel they need to accept ANY offer from a company, that is run by a mega company, that is essentially printing money, that is anything less than mainline pay. And while we're at it, adjusted for inflation on the mainline level. Too long have theese corporate entities made millions off the backs of their employees only to file for bankruptcy and get a second chance. **** them. This is the situation they have created. If they wish for the gravy train to roll, they will pay us every dime of what we are reasonably asking for, or they can suck a fat dick. Which is to say maybe bend an inch to what a free market is demanding.
08-23-2015 | 04:52 PM
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For once you and I will agree, there is no long term future. But RAH will be one of the last holdouts. They have the money, the assets and the contract diversity with codeshares to beat out many of the others. They even included crj-200 throug 900 pay in their proposal as a hint towards their future plans. We don't operate those aircraft, who are we looking at buying. Hate RAH all you want, facts don't lie. RAH will be one of the last out of this garbage game.
08-23-2015 | 04:55 PM
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For once you and I will agree, there is no long term future. But RAH will be one of the last holdouts. They have the money, the assets and the contract diversity with codeshares to beat out many of the others. They even included crj-200 throug 900 pay in their proposal as a hint towards their future plans. We don't operate those aircraft, who are we looking at buying. Hate RAH all you want, facts don't lie. RAH will be one of the last out of this garbage game.
08-23-2015 | 05:06 PM
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For once you and I will agree, there is no long term future. But RAH will be one of the last holdouts. They have the money, the assets and the contract diversity with codeshares to beat out many of the others. They even included crj-200 throug 900 pay in their proposal as a hint towards their future plans. We don't operate those aircraft, who are we looking at buying. Hate RAH all you want, facts don't lie. RAH will be one of the last out of this garbage game.
08-23-2015 | 05:26 PM
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From: Emb 170/175 FO
I just can't agree. The wholly owned airlines are part of a company that represents only a third of RAH's business. Having a large private contractor like RAH or skywest on the payroll is a huge bonus to the codeshare partners due to the leverage they can use against their own wholly owned carriers. I agree the smaller private airlines will fold, but the big two with the most modern aircraft on property will be the survivors. I'm not saying it is a favorable outcome, but it is the one that will happen in my opinion.
08-23-2015 | 05:32 PM
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From: Emb 170/175 FO
RAH has been paying off debt at an incredible rate They own outright the largest fleet of ejets, which are proving to be the desired fleet type for the next decade and beyond. They support an increasingly large percentage of operations for all three major carriers, lift that cannot be automatically transferred to another FFD carrier. Although the future at RAH is uncertain, I think it is disingenuous to say they don't have many assets. They have more than any other regional, because they own the aircraft.
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