Originally Posted by TurbineTime

Seabury has been a partner with RAH management for some time now, the company released information regarding their presence in order to scare the entire employee group (not just the pilots) in an effort to get votes.

The FO shuffle is not over. If RAH signs a deal with its pilots that raises FO pay by this magnitude it will all but stop new hires from going to the sweat shops like Mesa, which will in turn stop the quick upgrades. No new aircraft have been announced there and the flow of planes to PSA is slowing dramatically. Also, the 145's have yet to show up at PDT. There are pleanty of carriers whose pilots will jump at a higher FO rate. Not to mention the fact that RAH has over 60 aircraft showing up on property for which it can't currently staff. The upgrade party will be huge.

RAH just recently broke ground on a training facility in IND that is nearly 3 times the size of its current space. They paid down 90 million in early debt payments and still have 40-80 c-series aircraft on order. They are testing the waters with this LBFO to see what they can get away with, but they have major plans in store. That is why this vote (if it comes to that) is so important.

The reductions in flying have been temporary so far, the codeshare partners are watching very carefully to see what the next move will be.

Originally Posted by TurbineTime

Seabury has been a partner with RAH management for some time now, the company released information regarding their presence in order to scare the entire employee group (not just the pilots) in an effort to get votes.

The FO shuffle is not over. If RAH signs a deal with its pilots that raises FO pay by this magnitude it will all but stop new hires from going to the sweat shops like Mesa, which will in turn stop the quick upgrades. No new aircraft have been announced there and the flow of planes to PSA is slowing dramatically. Also, the 145's have yet to show up at PDT. There are pleanty of carriers whose pilots will jump at a higher FO rate. Not to mention the fact that RAH has over 60 aircraft showing up on property for which it can't currently staff. The upgrade party will be huge.

RAH just recently broke ground on a training facility in IND that is nearly 3 times the size of its current space. They paid down 90 million in early debt payments and still have 40-80 c-series aircraft on order. They are testing the waters with this LBFO to see what they can get away with, but they have major plans in store. That is why this vote (if it comes to that) is so important.

The reductions in flying have been temporary so far, the codeshare partners are watching very carefully to see what the next move will be.

Originally Posted by hungryCFI

You are either a troll, or mentally retarded...
This industry has been run thru by every union busting method known. FINALLY the whipsaw is thru and the shoe is on the other foot. And all u can propose is accepting a LBFO which is really where we should start from. This is a game. When fuel prices go up do u hear how the company has to park aircraft? For the life of me I don't understand why pilots flying a 76 seat plane, on mainline routes, feel they need to accept ANY offer from a company, that is run by a mega company, that is essentially printing money, that is anything less than mainline pay. And while we're at it, adjusted for inflation on the mainline level. Too long have theese corporate entities made millions off the backs of their employees only to file for bankruptcy and get a second chance. **** them. This is the situation they have created. If they wish for the gravy train to roll, they will pay us every dime of what we are reasonably asking for, or they can suck a fat dick. Which is to say maybe bend an inch to what a free market is demanding.

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Wow, you have really been fooled. There is no future for most regionals, including RAH.

Originally Posted by TurbineTime

For once you and I will agree, there is no long term future. But RAH will be one of the last holdouts. They have the money, the assets and the contract diversity with codeshares to beat out many of the others. They even included crj-200 throug 900 pay in their proposal as a hint towards their future plans. We don't operate those aircraft, who are we looking at buying. Hate RAH all you want, facts don't lie. RAH will be one of the last out of this garbage game.

Originally Posted by TurbineTime

For once you and I will agree, there is no long term future. But RAH will be one of the last holdouts. They have the money, the assets and the contract diversity with codeshares to beat out many of the others. They even included crj-200 throug 900 pay in their proposal as a hint towards their future plans. We don't operate those aircraft, who are we looking at buying. Hate RAH all you want, facts don't lie. RAH will be one of the last out of this garbage game.

Originally Posted by FirstClass

The wholly owneds will be the last, not rah. Rah will shrink first then possibly be bought out at a largely shrunken size. Or go out altogether. Maybe rah will become their own airline as an alternative.

Originally Posted by DMEarc

They don't have a lot of assets. There is a lot of debt on the books. When your "assets" aren't producing the cash flow to cover ownership costs that makes you insolvent. One thing is certain - RAH is still a powerhouse.

Originally Posted by TurbineTime

I just can't agree. The wholly owned airlines are part of a company that represents only a third of RAH's business. .

Originally Posted by billyho

why do you think AAG is beefing up PDT/PSA and ENY??? They want each at about 150 aircraft.