Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30

The min $30 for parking is what you get now.

I wouldn't be so optimistic that this will pass. You underestimate your fellow pilots and their anger of circumventing the NC and you haven't even heard the union's analysis of it yet.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

This has been done before at Envoy. They took a crap deal that also was an ultimatum (AKA, the 1113 that didn't exist) and then shortly thereafter a new management demanded more concessions. When this sham doesn't solve the problem it was designed to, that being some way to sucker in saps to the new-hire positions, BK will occur, then some minor management shuffling and as another airline exec is known for saying..........they too will proclaim that "the landscape has changed".

Then, RAH will be able to undercut all the other regionals with rock-bottom costs who will then have to figure out their own schemes to gut their pilots too. As the regionals continue accelerating on their expressway to collapse, it's going to be sad watching pilot group after pilot group run into traffic getting mowed down in the process.

If only pilots would stop playing in managements freeway, might they be able to survive.

Originally Posted by buddies8

The envoy fake 1113 was al due to the corrupt union leaders at the time which alpa national was well aware of, being there were a few of us informing alpa national directly.

Originally Posted by WhoCares

Critical thinking is quite an attractive quality and I just developed an incredibility huge man-crush on you.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

why, thank you. I do realize you're not asking me to sleep on my stomach with my underwear on backwards though...........i think.

In the spirit of seinfeld : Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Another tool in the union-busting business is to bypass the union negotiators and go DIRECTLY to the more easily manipulated and gullible source - the pilots. The pilots then validate this strategy designed to only weaken themselves by agreeing to bypass their own union by ratifying such deals.

Textbook.

Clearly, most of these kids haven't been around the block in the union-busting business and are about to be steamrolled. In fact, they aren't even looking at the steamroller coming straight at them and also are totally unaware that they threw the keys to their management driving the steamroller. The final nail in their own coffins which many will soon pound is actually defending what is occurring. Bank on it.

The situation for these pilots is indeed completely hopeless and so all that can be done is to watch the train wreck from a safe distance and hold your head low as the casualties mount. It's sad to see mass self-destruction, but that is the nature of the hapless regional pilot these days. This disease is spreading like a wildfire among the regionals and once it burns this group, it moves onward to the next.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

That may have been its foundation, but it was known that an 1113 hadn't been filed, only threatened. Despite the scams, shams, claims, pleading and threatening, the pilots were responsible for collectively failing to see that B.S. for what it was and thus took their place in the long list of pilots I'm talking about. That list's hallmark is accepting everything you're told, capitulating without question and rationalizing that capitulation after the fact. Envoy pilots aren't alone in that club and soon RAH pilots will join them.

You'll note that this club is completely devoid of any winners. It only has losers defending why they lost before the game even began. Again, it is why those at regionals have virtually no hope of ever changing their economic reality. It's even sadder when many of those pilots will not make it to a legacy or why many who do, will almost certainly repeat the same mistakes at the legacy as they do at the regional. They will be in good company at some legacies too. Pilots always have and will always be their own worst enemy, management just exploits that reality successfully.