Geardownflaps30

The EBoard decides and will probably decide by the end of next week. The bylaw that could permit this wasn't meant for a union controlled by the RLA; proving once again why the IBT shouldn't be the union of choice for an airline (but is great for truck and bus drivers).

FirstClass

Neither is alpa.

seafeye

It's from the CEO's playbook. Happening right now at PSA.
We vote in a contract (Not the TA), that had great critical pay, flexible schedules and the famous SAP.
Well the company manipulates the reserve grid so no day becomes critical, SAP is slower than the line up at the DMV. And thus we have little flexibility with our schedules.
Management cannot and will not follow a contract. They will do whatever they can to use the slow arbitration process to save millions. So go ahead and vote on the contract. Just know that it won't make a difference either way. Management is going to do what they are gonna do.

Cgo John

I have been reading all of the posts. Mostly people commenting based upon the little bits and pieces of information about the offer that have been doled out. Lots of speculation and incremental analysis.

Then, intermixed among the amateur analysis, are professionally written posts which seem to be designed to slowly move the audience into believing that the offer is really a hidden gem and that the better informed are the ones who are seeing the value. I don't see anything in their posts that really point to any good reasons to support the offer, they just point to this crumb and that crumb and then conclude that they expect the thing will pass once everyone sees the value and that they will probably vote yes. Lawyers thinking that they are lowering themselves down to the level of a pilot so as to out smart them with their words. Reminds me of when a politician goes out to the country to be filmed as an ordinary guy doing ordinary things and suddenly develops a country/southern accent, "Ya'll gonna come out and watch me shoot some varmints!"

Am I being paranoid or do others see the same thing?

Cujo665

So per IBT, anytime management "says" this is their LBFO it is required to go to a vote?
so they never need to negotiate. Make a LBFO, watch the results and sweeten it just enough to pass.

Geardownflaps30

First the EBoard must decide if it truly is an LBFO.

If yes, then sent out for a member vote.

If voted down, then the union and company are released to immediate self help, ie the union could withhold services (aka strike).

This though, isn't permitted by a union controlled by the RLA.

Hence the problem and why a pilot union shouldn't be represented by the IBT.

Cujo665

Ok, so your Eboard gets to decide. That's better.... Not good, just better than the alternative.

Having read it; it's a great improvement in some areas and some significant givebacks in others.

My real concern would be giving the work rules concessions; RAH then going through Bankruptcy anyway and taking the money pay back too.

I think many of the analysts are saying a BK restructuring is inevitable; right?

MasterOfPuppets

I no longer have a dog in the BB vs. RAH pilot group.

However I worked for that SOB for long enough to know how he operates. Anything that him and his team of lawyers wrote will have so many exploitable areas that the pilot group will effectively be working without any language.

DO NOT TRUST BEDFORD. As bad as the teamsters are, their lawyers and the EBoard need to look at every word.

If I was still there the email containing the LBFO would have been deleted without even reading it. The NC knows what I want and BB doesn't want to give me what I want, thats why negotiations continue.

CBreezy

Who should represent the regional guys then?

Beast

So, to clarify, the Republic guys are not bound by the Railway Act, because their union is not an "airline" union? Or, the republic guys are subject to the Railway Act, by virtue of being airline employees? Alternately, neither is important, their union by-laws mandate a vote?