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Old 08-27-2015 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by longhauler
You all have very valid points. The most pointe of all is BB can and probably will still take the company CH 11 and shove an 1113 contract in your face and take everything back and then some.
First a judge would have to green light that request and BB would have to justify it as necessary for survival. But again, think about what would happen to RAH if he did ?

A mass pilot exodus and ZERO replacements resulting in complete chaos in an already tenuous existence and that would have his meal makers (the legacies he feeds) abandoning RAH in rapid form. In short order, he wouldn't have a pot to pi$$ in or a window to throw it out of. His airline would collapse.

Great strategy if he wants to liquidate and wipeout remaining shareholder value. Not so good, if he wants to reorganize.
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Old 08-27-2015 | 12:45 PM
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I think they already pretty much wiped out the shareholder value.. All the way down to $2/share. Lol
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Old 08-27-2015 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
First a judge would have to green light that request and BB would have to justify it as necessary for survival. But again, think about what would happen to RAH if he did ?

A mass pilot exodus and ZERO replacements resulting in complete chaos in an already tenuous existence and that would have his meal makers (the legacies he feeds) abandoning RAH in rapid form. In short order, he wouldn't have a pot to pi$$ in or a window to throw it out of. His airline would collapse.

Great strategy if he wants to liquidate and wipeout remaining shareholder value. Not so good, if he wants to reorganize.
Never underestimate what will be done, AA got an 1113 why not RAH, SAH, 1113.
UAL spun off there FF program understated the value and that was not found out until after the BK was finished.
NWA spun off NW cargo to go into BK. They then were paid out the value of the Continental Golden shares which they loaned DL to establish the merger between DAL and NWA.
BK was established to protect the business and with a flock of young imaginative MBA + JD's to create the correct business model, watch out.
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Old 08-27-2015 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by longhauler
Never underestimate what will be done, AA got an 1113 why not RAH, SAH, 1113.
UAL spun off there FF program understated the value and that was not found out until after the BK was finished.
NWA spun off NW cargo to go into BK. They then were paid out the value of the Continental Golden shares which they loaned DL to establish the merger between DAL and NWA.
BK was established to protect the business and with a flock of young imaginative MBA + JD's to create the correct business model, watch out.
AA's 1113 had actual IMPROVEMENTS in many contractual areas like pay, but concessions in others. The fact is that without pilots (the root of his principle problem right now), RAH is toast and anything he does to tip over that apple cart leaves him with no fruit to sell. It's not about what he does with BK, but about how he handles his pilots during that, if he does.
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Old 08-27-2015 | 02:14 PM
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AA 1113 was luck due to the timing. BB can and will do what ever he likes with or with out a CBA. I back you guys 100% and believe you are holding a line that should be commended and replicated in the industry. You have my support!
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Old 08-27-2015 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
Ok dood... If you think that 40 an hour plus protections and guarantees would not bring people in from other airlines, all I can think is your parents must be footing every bill for you. People need money to survive and rates at 40+ an hour would absolutely bring people in. And if this company does what is smart (unlikely) and fixes the language in the contract, this will absolutely be the best contract signed in years at the regional level. If your opinion is that no one would show up for industry leading rates on the best aircraft with the most variety of CPA's in the industry, I can't help you.
What airlines do you think FO's would jump ship from? We are only talking about an increase of $9000 annually compared to most other regional airline's first year pay. Due to higher pay in year 2 and quick upgrades, FO's who have been at a regional for a year probably aren't leaving where they are at.

I think $40 an hour for a new hire coming from flight instructing is nice, but these pilots do not exist in great numbers.

The FO shuffle is over.
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Old 08-28-2015 | 04:50 AM
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What airlines do you think FO's would jump ship from? We are only talking about an increase of $9000 annually compared to most other regional airline's first year pay. Due to higher pay in year 2 and quick upgrades, FO's who have been at a regional for a year probably aren't leaving where they are at.

I think $40 an hour for a new hire coming from flight instructing is nice, but these pilots do not exist in great numbers.

The FO shuffle is over.
Sorry, but I don't see it your way. As long as the regionals exist, mainline can shuffle flying from one to the next, and older less efficient aircraft are being retired; people will move from one place to the other. I can see people from commutair, Mesa, ExpressJet, Gojet just to name a few moving to a higher paying job. The money will bring people from others as well, those who have bills to pay and to whom that $9000 you seem to brush off means economic stability. It will happen.
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Old 08-28-2015 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
Sorry, but I don't see it your way. As long as the regionals exist, mainline can shuffle flying from one to the next, and older less efficient aircraft are being retired; people will move from one place to the other. I can see people from commutair, Mesa, ExpressJet, Gojet just to name a few moving to a higher paying job. The money will bring people from others as well, those who have bills to pay and to whom that $9000 you seem to brush off means economic stability. It will happen.
Nobody from Expressjet will go to RAH. The others....maybe.
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Old 08-28-2015 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe
Nobody from Expressjet will go to RAH. The others....maybe.
No one from the other regionals will be leaving either just to sit reserve when they can upgrade in 2 years or less.
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Old 08-28-2015 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe
Nobody from Expressjet will go to RAH. The others....maybe.
of course they will. remember, we fly the best equipment with the most cpa variety 😉
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