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Old 08-25-2015 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Bad contacts???? Light years ahead of republic!!! Republic work rules are worse then PDT from the early 90's.

As for pdt's 145's no manual was shot down and most instructors are typed and ready to do.
We get pilots and AAG said we'll get the planes.
PDT contract is still not as great as you make it seem and RAH contract, if passed (not by far good enough but better than current one), would be better than yours.
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Old 08-25-2015 | 07:04 PM
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I stand corrected. Based on what TurbineTime said, there may not be a new contract after all lol. My bad.
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Old 08-25-2015 | 07:32 PM
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Can the union rarity the contract without sending it to a vote ?
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Old 08-25-2015 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LeadFoot
PDT contract is still not as great as you make it seem and RAH contract, if passed (not by far good enough but better than current one), would be better than yours.
It actually is and no, yours wouldn't be unless all you care about are rates that are paid for by having crap benefits in the rest of your book.
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Old 08-25-2015 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
You have brought this up before, and I still am not sure what you're referencing. If that happened to you, that is very unfortunate, but it is something that can happen at ANY airline. I haven't seen evidence to backup what you are saying, but I'm not saying it hasn't happened. Here or anywhere else.
This was a while back, but all the key players are still there. A few captains had challenged scheduling and thus management in one way or another. Mysteriously, said pilots busted their very next SIM eval and were sent back to FO for six months. We are not talking one or two guys either. They also suspended or tried to suspend guys for calling fatigued or refusing to taxi the plane to the mx hangar in Indy after a trip. Either way, it sounds like the union will be taking this one out of the pilot's hands....and rightfully so.
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Old 08-26-2015 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
Can the union rarity the contract without sending it to a vote ?
No.


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Old 08-26-2015 | 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
The upgrade time is based off the most recent vacancy. All the pilots hired between 2012-14 are included. Uncertainty here is an absolute reality, but if this passes (in one form or another), people will come here. We have 53 more united aircraft arriving over the next 2 years and another 10 for delta. There are only 16 Q,s left to be retired. The upgrade will drop as people come in the door. I stand by my argument, people will come for the money and the upgrade. Both should be a reality soon.
People will come for the upgrade and money? Dude....What money?!? There is no money! This proposed cba is not comparable to AWAC or Skywest, to name a couple. Like I said before there will never be some sudden magical flock of pilots coming here for a few extra thousand a year on 1st year pay when compared to better places. The biggest source a place like RAH has to tap from are flight instructors. Most people already in this industry are privy to how a place like RAH is run and will stay far away. Sounds like from this latest union email none of what you were hoping for will happen anyhow
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Old 08-26-2015 | 04:41 PM
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Every member of the Teamsters Airline Division should pay close attention to what Republic's Management is trying to do to the Republic pilot group. Management is attempting to circumvent the bargaining process, and directly send a “contract” to the pilot group for a vote. They are twisting the language of Article XII, Section 1 of the IBT Constitution in order to do this.

Article XII
STRIKES, LOCKOUTS, WAGE SCALES, DISPUTES OVER JURISDICTION
Strike Action by Local Unions
Section 1(a). When any difficulty or dispute arises between the members of any Local Union and their employers, it shall be the duty of the officers of such Local Union to use every possible means of achieving a settlement or resolution of the difficulty or dispute through the processes of collective bargaining.
(b). Agreements shall either be accepted by a majority vote of those members involved in negotiations and voting, or a majority of such members shall direct further negotiations before a final vote on the employer's offer is taken, as directed by the Local Union Executive Board. During negotiations, the Local Union Executive Board may order a secret ballot strike vote to be taken and when, in the judgment of the Local Union Executive Board, an employer has made a final offer of settlement, such offer must be submitted to the involved membership for a secret ballot vote as hereinafter provided;
(1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote cast valid ballots, then a cumulative majority of those voting in favor of the final offer shall result in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance of the final offer shall authorize a strike without any additional vote being necessary for such strike authorization. In the event of a tie vote on either a motion to accept a final offer or to strike, the Local Union Executive Board shall conduct a second vote. If the result of the second vote is a tie, the Local Union Executive Board shall have the discretion to either accept the final offer or reject the final offer and authorize a strike at such time as it determines.


The company is ignoring various parts of this section. The Local Executive Board did not decide this was a “final offer of settlement,” nor is the company willing to except a strike as the result of a “cumulative majority of those voting against acceptance.” This section of the IBT constitution was not intended for those members who fall under the jurisdiction of the RLA. The company is trying to use only the first half of this paragraph to force a vote.

If Republic management is successful in circumventing the Local’s Executive Board and Negotiating Committee this will set a disastrous precedent for all Airline Division IBT members. What will happen to the negotiating process currently underway at Allegiant or GoJets or any other pilot group? All members need to pay close attention to this and voice their concerns with the IBT Airline Division.


Call 202-624-6848 or 800-635-3961 and let the ALD know how important it is to not let management circumvent the process.
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Old 08-26-2015 | 06:00 PM
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The ball's in the Rev's court. Does he file or does he let the company wilt on the vine--- ie: be de-listed and traded on OTC as a pink sheet or does he allow or force operators with deep pockets with labor-strategic, financial and operational stakes to inject liquidity ? Those Legacies with serious feed arrangements with RJET aren't really prepared for long disruptions. RJET: 2.12 Down 1.23(36.72%) 4:00PM EDT
After Hours : 2.06 Down 0.06 (2.83%) 7:58PM EDT

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Old 08-27-2015 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
Don't give Bedford that much credit. Seabury Group LLC has it figured out and Bedford is the puppet. Bedford is a terrible CEO and has run RAH into the ground with no hope of repair without outside "help". If he doesn't get the boot after this whole charade is over I'd be surprised.
Well for what it is worth, it appears that based on publicly available real estate transaction data BB sold his 16,000 square foot home in Carmel in late July.
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