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Old 09-26-2015 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
Too bad you forgot about S5 pilots being on the same list as YX pilots. Why would Republic sell off S5 if they weren't able to use the pilots to solve their massive staffing issues? Unless you were speaking solely to the fact that it would finally require management to actually honor seniority in some remote fashion.
Actually furloughing the S5 pilots out of seniority would be this management's MO. Therefore I could see a situation where S5 pilots get sold with the cert and no YX pilots go. I believe a S5 to YX displacement is imminent. They will only send whatever pilots remain on S5 before the music stops.
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Old 09-26-2015 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
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Old 09-26-2015 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
You aren't boiling it down. You're muddying in the water. Why not boil it down even more? Really, it's the passengers who are paying the Republic pilots so they should just be charged more.
The passengers are already paying enough. The 3 majors will make $10-$15 billion in profit annually. They will need to funnel that money to the regional pilot's salaries if they want them to maintain that staffing. If they don't then the regionals will continue to have staffing issues.

Originally Posted by CBreezy
The contractor's contract is locked in. What do you think happens in 2018 when the bonus expires? Has anyone talked about the Endeavor pay rates? Why do you really think Delta offered $80k in bonuses and didn't just add $20k to the pilot pay scales? It's because this was a temporary fix to them hemorrhaging pilots. It definitely stopped the bleeding.
If the contractor can't staff your flying, are you just going to deal with the cancelled flights? No, you take them over ala Pinnacle, or you pay them more money so they can pay their pilots more, so they can staff their flying.

Originally Posted by Name User
Delta won't pay more just so AA has staffing, and United won't pay more to staff Delta. They would all have to pitch in, what's the likelihood of that happening?

Not to mention, there are companies that can staff. Just not Republic. The new agreement would help everyone there and significantly raise first year pay.
Again, if they decide not to pay Republic more money, then Republic won't be able to staff their flying and someone else will. Problem is, no other regional can staff that flying now, unless they make more money.
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Old 09-26-2015 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
Again, if they decide not to pay Republic more money, then Republic won't be able to staff their flying and someone else will. Problem is, no other regional can staff that flying now, unless they make more money.
Wrong. There is a regional right now that could step in and do most of if not all of Republic's flying, and is ready to go.
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Old 09-26-2015 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Wrong. There is a regional right now that could step in and do most of if not all of Republic's flying, and is ready to go.
With what pilots? The truth is the only pilots that can staff it, are the Republic pilots if they go over there or if that regional offers a payscale that starts at $40K/year and rises to at least $60K/year for 4th year FO's
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Old 09-26-2015 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
With what pilots? The truth is the only pilots that can staff it, are the Republic pilots if they go over there or if that regional offers a payscale that starts at $40K/year and rises to at least $60K/year for 4th year FO's
ExpressJet has the second largest pilot group in the industry and the greatest amount of 50-seaters to shed. E-175 Certification could be done in a few weeks, Inc owns three sims, and they'd be ready to rock and roll.
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Old 09-26-2015 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
The passengers are already paying enough. The 3 majors will make $10-$15 billion in profit annually. They will need to funnel that money to the regional pilot's salaries if they want them to maintain that staffing. If they don't then the regionals will continue to have staffing issues.


If the contractor can't staff your flying, are you just going to deal with the cancelled flights? No, you take them over ala Pinnacle, or you pay them more money so they can pay their pilots more, so they can staff their flying.



Again, if they decide not to pay Republic more money, then Republic won't be able to staff their flying and someone else will. Problem is, no other regional can staff that flying now, unless they make more money.
Envoy gets its first 175 in 6 weeks, they also have over 30 zero and part time lines for this month.
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Old 09-27-2015 | 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
The passengers are already paying enough. The 3 majors will make $10-$15 billion in profit annually. They will need to funnel that money to the regional pilot's salaries if they want them to maintain that staffing. If they don't then the regionals will continue to have staffing issues.


If the contractor can't staff your flying, are you just going to deal with the cancelled flights? No, you take them over ala Pinnacle, or you pay them more money so they can pay their pilots more, so they can staff their flying.



Again, if they decide not to pay Republic more money, then Republic won't be able to staff their flying and someone else will. Problem is, no other regional can staff that flying now, unless they make more money.

Nope. The majors don't "have" to do a damn thing. It's their money. They don't "have" to share it with the competition. It's a null point now anyways. Republic slit its own throat years ago and is barely keeping it's head above the shark infested waters. Contrary to popular belief, there's plenty of other regionals out there that could almost instantaneously take over Republics planes and flying along with a fresh glut of over 2000 pilots that will all have to start over as year one FO's. This will be the continuing trend as regionals start to fail. Republic is just leading the pack.
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Old 09-27-2015 | 03:58 AM
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XJT could immediately take all the Delta flying and man it with the ERJ side or sub in some CRJ for 145s. Either way, or some combo, and XJT could cover the Delta flying tomorrow.
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Old 09-27-2015 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
Nope. The majors don't "have" to do a damn thing. It's their money. They don't "have" to share it with the competition.
You're missing the point. The majors will not allow their flying to fail to be staffed. They are making enough enough to pay the pay increases to staff that flying appropriately or bring it back in house.

Originally Posted by NVUS
ExpressJet has the second largest pilot group in the industry and the greatest amount of 50-seaters to shed. E-175 Certification could be done in a few weeks, Inc owns three sims, and they'd be ready to rock and roll.
I'm talking new pilots to staff the flying. If you are referencing regionals that have to shed their 50-seat flying, then they can staff with those pilots. All it does is delay the inevitable though.

Originally Posted by Beast
XJT could immediately take all the Delta flying and man it with the ERJ side or sub in some CRJ for 145s. Either way, or some combo, and XJT could cover the Delta flying tomorrow.
The only flying XJT could immediately take is the 145 flying. However, that means their United 145 flying would get parked, so someone has to park something. Getting the 175 Cert up, requires training and pilots. That doesn't happen immediately with hundreds of pilots.
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