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Old 07-30-2015 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
you saying pdt has their own e145 sim, where?
these pilots in training that you say 25/20 for what aircraft the e145, where they going to do ioe? for that matter, where is the sim to be used?
all pdt has done is announce the base for the e145, as far as i know.
just as psa, your operation will su ck for the next five years. pdt, psa and envoy are not the prodigal children rather the bastards of aag.
Lol! I can't even answer that response. Just watch and see.
New president and AAG is pumping cash. I too was an unbeliever. Not anymore.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 04:43 PM
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Lol! I can't even answer that response. Just watch and see.
New president and AAG is pumping cash. I too was an unbeliever. Not anymore.
What many fail to realize is that AAG is not AMR management. The american product from mainline to its subsidiaries are simply pawns on a chest board. This explains the shakeups of operators out of DFW and the shifting of flying and aircraft around their system.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Lol! I can't even answer that response. Just watch and see.
New president and AAG is pumping cash. I too was an unbeliever. Not anymore.
hard not to make money when one third your flights are operated at cheap rates, your ticket prices just keep going up, you dont have meals anymore and the fuel has dropped almost 60%, you charge for everything. even parker and his cheap team could not not make money at aag.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Lol! We've got 22 in class now and more and more RAH pilots applying. Our instructors are typed and the sim is getting ready.'
There's no hard time. Another class of 20 is on its way.
You really think we are having a tough time. Just wait and see.
I forgot PSA had a hard time going from 25 Props😜
So you proved my point. Pilots in class for an aircraft that isn't even on property? And a sim that isn't "ready" yet. And a program that isn't certified yet. I am happy for PDT pilots that they have something to look forward to, but I see some serious headaches on the horizon, especially with the Feds breathing down your necks.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
So you proved my point. Pilots in class for an aircraft that isn't even on property? And a sim that isn't "ready" yet. And a program that isn't certified yet. I am happy for PDT pilots that they have something to look forward to, but I see some serious headaches on the horizon, especially with the Feds breathing down your necks.
I agree with you 100%, it'll be some hard time for us ahead, but that's normal for any airlines at one point.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
So you proved my point. Pilots in class for an aircraft that isn't even on property? And a sim that isn't "ready" yet. And a program that isn't certified yet. I am happy for PDT pilots that they have something to look forward to, but I see some serious headaches on the horizon, especially with the Feds breathing down your necks.
No one is in class for the 145 yet, except check airmen. New hires will not be training in the 145 for the foreseeable future. The sim is just a CAE sim in Dallas. We don't start revenue service on the 145 until February so there's time.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
So you proved my point. Pilots in class for an aircraft that isn't even on property? And a sim that isn't "ready" yet. And a program that isn't certified yet. I am happy for PDT pilots that they have something to look forward to, but I see some serious headaches on the horizon, especially with the Feds breathing down your necks.
Honestly you've got more to worry about then the Feds breathing down our necks with our 145's. Especially when a FO flying a 37 seat Turbo Prop is making more then you are.

Good Luck, and I hope you guys get a new contract because you really deserve it after working for slave wages and a barbaric working contract for the last 7 or more years.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe
United to Skywest: how long to spin up 30 more E175's?
Skywest to United: 90 days.

American to Envoy: how long to spin up 30 700's?
Envoy to American: as soon as you stop giving them to PSA

Delta to Express Jet......you get the idea
Perhaps I'm not following you on this - but there is no way Envoy could stand up 30 175's in 90 days. The sim capacity isn't even there. If RAH's capacity opened up it create some capacity, but even with cutbacks they still need to hire and train all they can to not lose even more capacity. Heck, Envoy's initial cadre just finished training - they aren't close to being up to speed to stand up airframes faster than planned.

I don't know about the others, but I'd guess the story is similar.
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Old 07-30-2015 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bcrosier
Perhaps I'm not following you on this - but there is no way Envoy could stand up 30 175's in 90 days. The sim capacity isn't even there. If RAH's capacity opened up it create some capacity, but even with cutbacks they still need to hire and train all they can to not lose even more capacity. Heck, Envoy's initial cadre just finished training - they aren't close to being up to speed to stand up airframes faster than planned.

I don't know about the others, but I'd guess the story is similar.
Not trying to be a jerk, but I did say 700's and not 175's. My point is that the lift would be replaced.

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Old 07-30-2015 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe
Not trying to be a jerk, but I did say 700's and not 175's. My point is that the lift would be replaced.
Oops, you're correct - I transposed names as I responded. Disregard the initial cadre part, but the sim capacity still isn't there (at least at this time).
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