$100,000 Minimum Regional First Officer
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No one is disputing the fact that regional pilots are under paid and over worked. I knew coming into it that a regional job is stepping stone. For majority of us anyways. I would like to see pay rates go up to livable wages. As I mentioned before $55,000-$65,000 first FO pay would be a good start. Regionals need to stop voting YES on BS TA's. Hopefully Mesa will vote down there TA which has poverty level hourly rates! FO top pay of $40 after 9 years.. Captain pay for the small ERJ/CRJ is on average $20-$30 per hour less than other regional.... If we vote crap like this in we will never see competitive wages.
#133
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How is flying passengers in one type of airliner, entry level, but in another type in EXACTLY the same manner and environment, it isn't? If you fly 50 seats four legs or 200 seats one leg, the amt. of seats being flown are the same. The speeds, destinations, skill-set and responsibility are all the same. The job of airline pilot is not an entry level job. No one should be entry level at 500 knots at FL350. An FO is not an apprentice, and has to be ready and able to fly and do everything single handed if the captain is incapacitated. Entry level jobs don't require years of experience and training and don't require that level of responsibility. The reason for the 1500 hr rule is so that airline pilot will never be considered an entry level job again. The act of flying is easy because we do it so much, and it's so easy an Airbus fell out of the sky due to a minor malfunction and gross pilot error. It's so easy, a major airline stalled onto the runway at SFO and killed people in perfect weather.
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The reality is that flying an airliner is EASY. This job as a whole is EASY. You do not need superior physical or mental skills to be an airline pilot. Quit thinking you are something superior, when you are not. You have more in common with a truck driver than a doctor or lawyer.
Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
#139
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#140
How is flying passengers in one type of airliner, entry level, but in another type in EXACTLY the same manner and environment, it isn't? If you fly 50 seats four legs or 200 seats one leg, the amt. of seats being flown are the same. The speeds, destinations, skill-set and responsibility are all the same. The job of airline pilot is not an entry level job. No one should be entry level at 500 knots at FL350. An FO is not an apprentice, and has to be ready and able to fly and do everything single handed if the captain is incapacitated. Entry level jobs don't require years of experience and training and don't require that level of responsibility. The reason for the 1500 hr rule is so that airline pilot will never be considered an entry level job again. The act of flying is easy because we do it so much, and it's so easy an Airbus fell out of the sky due to a minor malfunction and gross pilot error. It's so easy, a major airline stalled onto the runway at SFO and killed people in perfect weather.
. Why do you think Cathay, et al hire cruise pilots with lower minimums? Aviator or non aviator, no one is impressed with 500 measly knots. Hell, even SR-71 pilots talk about boredom during cruise.As for your statement that entry level jobs don't require years of experience, what does it take to go from zero to hero now days even with the new rules, two, even one and a half? That doesn't say seasoned aviator to me.
Please don't publically advocate for our profession, because that would be embarrassing.
Last edited by Ludicrous Speed; 08-17-2015 at 07:13 AM.
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