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Old 08-17-2015 | 03:14 AM
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No one is disputing the fact that regional pilots are under paid and over worked. I knew coming into it that a regional job is stepping stone. For majority of us anyways. I would like to see pay rates go up to livable wages. As I mentioned before $55,000-$65,000 first FO pay would be a good start. Regionals need to stop voting YES on BS TA's. Hopefully Mesa will vote down there TA which has poverty level hourly rates! FO top pay of $40 after 9 years.. Captain pay for the small ERJ/CRJ is on average $20-$30 per hour less than other regional.... If we vote crap like this in we will never see competitive wages.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 04:08 AM
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I bet you think McDonald's fry guy should make $15/hour too! Oh wait...
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Old 08-17-2015 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bedrock
How is flying passengers in one type of airliner, entry level, but in another type in EXACTLY the same manner and environment, it isn't? If you fly 50 seats four legs or 200 seats one leg, the amt. of seats being flown are the same. The speeds, destinations, skill-set and responsibility are all the same. The job of airline pilot is not an entry level job. No one should be entry level at 500 knots at FL350. An FO is not an apprentice, and has to be ready and able to fly and do everything single handed if the captain is incapacitated. Entry level jobs don't require years of experience and training and don't require that level of responsibility. The reason for the 1500 hr rule is so that airline pilot will never be considered an entry level job again. The act of flying is easy because we do it so much, and it's so easy an Airbus fell out of the sky due to a minor malfunction and gross pilot error. It's so easy, a major airline stalled onto the runway at SFO and killed people in perfect weather.
Yea managemt will bust out their violin for you. They don't care if you can kill a bunch of people, they are insured, and they don't care about you. You are just a number and a warm body on their chess board. If the could, they would pay you minimum wage. You only get what you negotiate. The problem is NOT them, the problem is with YOU! US! We are are own worst enemy. Look at how we treat each other, pilots are their own worst enemy. There's so much ego and BS that we can not get over eacther in order to come to unity. The only unity is at places like Fedex where they are congratulationg eacther on making 200k. The rest of us in the trenches, it's Everyman for himself. We need to change that, you need to look at the other guys interest before yours. That's unity!!! You think that will ever happen? Good luck.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 04:40 AM
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DAL is having negotiations. They can stop all regional flying for DAL. Just take out the "permitted" flying and back to all flying to be done by a DAL pilot. Lets see what happens.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by El Senor Clown
I bet you think McDonald's fry guy should make $15/hour too! Oh wait...
Last time I went to a golden arch, I think they nuked the burger instead of frying???

So they are button pushers too
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Old 08-17-2015 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
The reality is that flying an airliner is EASY. This job as a whole is EASY. You do not need superior physical or mental skills to be an airline pilot. Quit thinking you are something superior, when you are not. You have more in common with a truck driver than a doctor or lawyer.

Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
I see you tried to troll the major guys a bit ago, and failed. Does that make you an entry level troll?
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Old 08-17-2015 | 06:42 AM
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FYI, depending on what city, full time Uber drivers make between $25K at $75K.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Que? Flying an airliner isn't easy. It's easy for you because of your highly focused speciality training.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Goflynow
Last time I went to a golden arch, I think they nuked the burger instead of frying???

So they are button pushers too
Well fry guy just push buttons.
Burger guy actually have to flip burgers.
Now about that McRib sandwich...
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Old 08-17-2015 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bedrock
How is flying passengers in one type of airliner, entry level, but in another type in EXACTLY the same manner and environment, it isn't? If you fly 50 seats four legs or 200 seats one leg, the amt. of seats being flown are the same. The speeds, destinations, skill-set and responsibility are all the same. The job of airline pilot is not an entry level job. No one should be entry level at 500 knots at FL350. An FO is not an apprentice, and has to be ready and able to fly and do everything single handed if the captain is incapacitated. Entry level jobs don't require years of experience and training and don't require that level of responsibility. The reason for the 1500 hr rule is so that airline pilot will never be considered an entry level job again. The act of flying is easy because we do it so much, and it's so easy an Airbus fell out of the sky due to a minor malfunction and gross pilot error. It's so easy, a major airline stalled onto the runway at SFO and killed people in perfect weather.
I agree with some of your points, but this isn't one of them. Are you new to the industry? Are you one of those pilots that thinks they're performing miracles? If any phase of flight is easy, it's the cruise phase. Do you think that you're Chuck Yeager seeing "the demon"? You dramatize it as some kind amazing feat because you're going 500 knots at 350. . Why do you think Cathay, et al hire cruise pilots with lower minimums? Aviator or non aviator, no one is impressed with 500 measly knots. Hell, even SR-71 pilots talk about boredom during cruise.

As for your statement that entry level jobs don't require years of experience, what does it take to go from zero to hero now days even with the new rules, two, even one and a half? That doesn't say seasoned aviator to me.

Please don't publically advocate for our profession, because that would be embarrassing.

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