Still won't happen. It's an entry level job and always has been. But as others have already mentioned, it's a contractual feed job so someone will always do it for less. You want 100k for a first year RJ FO, someone will do it for 90k. Then another for 80k. Rinse, repeat. There is no "unity" when you look at the collective airline pilot group. Individual groups? Yeah maybe. But as a collective? 0 unity, sell outs, do what's best for you and only you. An unfortunate byproduct of the seniority system. Get that number and get that number fast. The quicker the better. To that end, the regionals know it and take advantage.

 

Everybody has the problem figured out, but no one has a solution.

 

Except that management makes the majority of its profits off the backs of regional pilots. The current plan is to try, and get around the 1500 hour requirement with special ATP issues for regional training programs. If that doesn't work, the plan is to over hire at mainline, and furlough them back to the regionals.

 

Pilots all across the board walk off the job and see how much damage that does....Managements will be on their knees in no time...

 

They already spend most of their time on their knees,.....how do you think the got there?

 

Cloud
I agree that the pay increase to the regional pilots should come from the profits.
Unfortunately that is seldom how it works. Rather than share with those who earn it, the idea is to hoard it all, and if that eventually doesn't work, then take it from other workers. Taking from profits/stock price is, unfortunately, the last resort for management.

 

click,
If you think that post shows an empathy for the business/mgmt of a major airline, you're critical reading skills are somewhat deficient.

 

I can't even read through this whole thing.

1.) You are not special
2.) You deserve nothing
3.) It doesn't matter what you think you are worth, it doesn't matter what a truck driver or doctor makes.

Here is what is relevant.

1.) You made a choice to work at your job for whatever money they are paying you.
2.) You have the ability to try and negotiate or hold out for more, maybe or maybe not it will work.
3.) You can leave anytime and pursue a higher paying position.
4.) Start your own airline and give the pilots all the money.
5.) The laws of supply and demand are in play, who gives a sh*t about alpa.

I don't know what it is with some of you people, but this is still the USA where capitalism is our way. Many of you are preaching philosophies that smack of socialism. Hey maybe you are a Hilary voter or from Europe, I don't know, but that's not how things are done here.

You come to a contract airline such as PSA, Envoy, TSA, etc..? You get used to that $20,000 per year paycheck, you signed up for it, nobody twisted your arm. Further, many of you signed up for $200,000 of debt to get here. That's your problem not mine.

Suck it up. I'm tired of hearing your damn whining.

 

True capitalism doesn't exist when people's experience doesn't go with them from one company to another. This is the only industry where that is the case. Longevity/seniority resets make this not capitalism. I'm way anti-Hillary and friends, but this isn't fast food workers asking for $15 an hour. This is highly trained and experienced aviation professionals (mostly) flying 76 seat jets on the same routes at the same speeds in the same livery as mainline, but made up barriers to entry to the golden jobs prevent capitalism from working and result in these professionals being paid food stamp wages. Our union is supposed to protect us (as a whole profession), but we watched ALPA sell scope and put us in this situation with the proliferation of RJs.

Airlines are under investigation for colluding and fixing ticket prices, which effectively destroys the supply/demand models that true capitalism is supposed to use. The airlines also alter true capitalism with contracted feed. This isn't the way capitalism is supposed to work.

 

Might I suggest the passion & energy expended in this thread by those that don't feel they are appropriately compensated, or are dissapointed with work rules....that it'd be more effectively applied by being involved with the tough hard work that's necessary to improve those points at your current place of employ.

If this offends you, it likely applies to you.

I acknowledge it's easier to complain about a problem than to actually be part of a real solution of the problem.