Corporate greed? You're so easy to walk all over I wouldn't pay you anything either. I know you'll work free so won't give you one extra dime. You'll complain a lot but I could care less how much you complain. As long as you show up like a good little boy that's all I care about. If you step out of line I'll make sure alpa straightens you out.

 

Your first sentence is correct.

I understand your point on the second sentence is move flying back to mainline, but the reality of that happening is very slim unless there isn't a single pilot on the earth left to fly an rj and mainline is crying for anyone that meets gov 121 requirements to fly passengers.

Rather than ALPA fighting for our destruction how about ALPA help put standards in place that no contract that comes across the table fall below - reasonable and livable conditions. The point is if these standards are "too costly" mainline would pull it all back in house anyway. Reasonable and livable are very interpretive from one pilot to the next, but I'll put a few down and and we can debate what is good or not so good. Keep in mind I would love to see first year on an RJ 100k, but I think it will not be a capability if mainline isn't providing standards for all like that.

So here goes and keep in mind this is for all FFD carriers:

First year pay: $45 an hr.
Min days off per month: 12
Time and a half pay on all flying done on all taken off days.
Cx pay and DH pay 100% at all FFD carriers.
Health insurance: Max out of pocket deductible 2k for plans and no more than $100 per month. Health insurance is a major cost for all companies so I'm trying to be reasonable here.
Travel benefits: standard code for all ALPA FFD carriers.

Again this is just an idea of what should be a "set standard". My point is if we had set standards for all pilots at FFD carriers anything less than these would not allow it come across a negotiating table. Also this is just the tip of the ice berg, but some things could be just concrete.

Debate away!

 

Alpa is a bottom up organization, not a top down like other unions unfortunately.

 

I wouldn't mind them working to destroy the regionals, and there'd be a few viable ways to do it, but setting a minimum standard for reasonable and livable that all regional contracts must adhere to would be sufficient too.

If tomorrow ALPA said they wouldn't sign off on any regional contract where rates were below $50 for FO's and $100 for Captains, what would happen? Could an ALPA pilot group vote something in below that per ALPA rules? If not, why wasn't this done years ago?

 

Alpa is the problem, you first have to recognize that. They don't work for regional pilots. Major airline pilots sold scope so they could enrich themselves at regional pilot expense.

Connect the dots. Step one in any meaningful solution is to get rid of alpa.

Alpa is not interested in making major changes, they are interested in very small changes to status quo.

Alpa speaks a good game. They make grand statements. But pilots make grand statements to. We see it every day on this forum. But it doesn't go any further than just b*tchin and letting off steam.

Pilots just don't care enough to do anything meaningful.