The MRJ90 and E175-E2 are done
12-02-2016 | 10:00 AM
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I don't know the depth of the DALPA scope clause, but, since SKW pilots don't have one, Skywest Holdings could, theoretically, start a new airline using 90 seaters or put it on a certificate without FL flying, like XJT and still be in compliance. See: GoJet origin story.
At that point if they attempted it they are a competitor to Delta and management would be in the fight on our side.
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12-02-2016 | 10:07 AM
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Skywest dropping Delta (200/700/900/175) for the firm orders of 'prohibited' aircraft to fly for Alaska would result in 32% fewer airframes (22% if discounting the 200s on 120 day contracts). Depending on what the Alaska rate is dropping Delta is a business option (not a good one option but still an option).
I'm against scope relaxation or bigger aircraft but Skyw has a much clearer path to quickly replace Delta than Delta could quickly replace skyw. Keyword there was quickly.
I'm against all of this and don't think any of this will happen but the numbers do make it plausible.
I'm against scope relaxation or bigger aircraft but Skyw has a much clearer path to quickly replace Delta than Delta could quickly replace skyw. Keyword there was quickly.
I'm against all of this and don't think any of this will happen but the numbers do make it plausible.
12-02-2016 | 10:17 AM
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Yes, it is the anti-competitor clause, however, what do you do with the gates Skywest owns in ATL. Skywest could lease them to American airlines.
12-02-2016 | 10:43 AM
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If the alternative was to sit back and subsidize a megalomaniac rogue super jumbo RJ operator, they will find a way to pull the plug on them.
12-02-2016 | 11:46 AM
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As if AA is chomping at the bit for that? Nah. Not worried about it. Worst case DL loses all of the gates in question (highly unlikely that would happen) and could make up most of the capacity through upsizing and whoever wormed their way in would have to then slug it out in a two front war with DL and SWA who have found a highly symbiotic synergy.
If the alternative was to sit back and subsidize a megalomaniac rogue super jumbo RJ operator, they will find a way to pull the plug on them.
If the alternative was to sit back and subsidize a megalomaniac rogue super jumbo RJ operator, they will find a way to pull the plug on them.
12-02-2016 | 11:55 AM
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I don't think they want that as the most desirable outcome. But if SKYW decides to force their hand, then the chips will fall where they may. Don't expect scope relief to accommodate SKYW's grand plans. It will not be achieved INMO with DL or UAL at least.
12-02-2016 | 02:10 PM
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Skywest dropping Delta (200/700/900/175) for the firm orders of 'prohibited' aircraft to fly for Alaska would result in 32% fewer airframes (22% if discounting the 200s on 120 day contracts). Depending on what the Alaska rate is dropping Delta is a business option (not a good one option but still an option).
I'm against scope relaxation or bigger aircraft but Skyw has a much clearer path to quickly replace Delta than Delta could quickly replace skyw. Keyword there was quickly.
I'm against all of this and don't think any of this will happen but the numbers do make it plausible.
I'm against scope relaxation or bigger aircraft but Skyw has a much clearer path to quickly replace Delta than Delta could quickly replace skyw. Keyword there was quickly.
I'm against all of this and don't think any of this will happen but the numbers do make it plausible.
12-02-2016 | 02:23 PM
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This is the dumbest thread going. The MRJ options had stipulations on the jet meeting the current scope restrictions, if it doesn't meet them or they don't have a mainline partner that wants them on contract, then no obligation to convert the options to firm orders.
SKYW is not "stuck" with them, end-of-story.
SKYW is not "stuck" with them, end-of-story.
12-02-2016 | 03:05 PM
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Skywest dropping Delta (200/700/900/175) for the firm orders of 'prohibited' aircraft to fly for Alaska would result in 32% fewer airframes (22% if discounting the 200s on 120 day contracts). Depending on what the Alaska rate is dropping Delta is a business option (not a good one option but still an option).
I'm against scope relaxation or bigger aircraft but Skyw has a much clearer path to quickly replace Delta than Delta could quickly replace skyw. Keyword there was quickly.
I'm against all of this and don't think any of this will happen but the numbers do make it plausible.
I'm against scope relaxation or bigger aircraft but Skyw has a much clearer path to quickly replace Delta than Delta could quickly replace skyw. Keyword there was quickly.
I'm against all of this and don't think any of this will happen but the numbers do make it plausible.
12-02-2016 | 04:23 PM
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You might check on how gates are awarded in ATL. Skywest can quit using them but they go back to the airport to be reassigned.
