Tinpusher007

CAL only has small narrowbody, large narrow body and widebody pay. The small narrow body pay includes all 737's except the -900 IIRC.
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...ntinental.html

ToiletDuck

-800/-900 which appears to be slightly less than half their fleet of 737s

staplegun

Wrong! 757/767 domestic the same. There are no more 200's. 767 international & 767-400 higher rates.

Kevin

Korean1DR

Sooo... does this mean that ASA will be based out of ATL only now?

stickwiggler

I've said it before, I'll say it again.......
the reason skywest pilots are getting a bad name is not because the post of one person, but rather YOUR attitude. The idea that "the threat of a union is better than having a union" or as you said if things get worse, maybe we'll need one" are examples of how your pilot group is profiting at the expense of others. That "threat" is not free. Thousands of us pays dues, fight long (5 year +) battles to make better contracts that your company matches. You benefit from our hard battles, then take our aircraft and flying.
It's not just slap making you look bad. You want other people to respect you? get on board, vote in your union, pay your dues, risk your jobs and help the proffesion, not just yourselves.

ToiletDuck

1st off by not snooping to the low stadards of some of those in ALPA skywest is doing their part. Being a larger regional and supporting good work rules IS helping the industry.

2nd the "risk your jobs" statement is the dumbest thing I've read. Why would someone want to risk their job that is great by regional standards just to win your approval? You act like a group of pilots should regret that their company is winning contracts without sinking as low as several ALPA airlines.

You're picking the wrong battles and you'll never make some guy put his job on the line so you can feel better or accept him more.

There are a few things going on in the industry that are good and none of them have ALPA to thank for it. You honestly think the reason skywest has the contracts they do is because of ALPA's struggles? The reason they pay what they do is because everyone in the industry is hiring. Just like there is always some guy willing to fly for less for a company like mesa. There is a company willing to offer a slightly higher percentage to keep their company flying. They are willing to take a smaller profit vs no profit at all. During a time of mass employment boom everyone is having to fight for pilots. Hence the dropped standards. Because of this each airline is having to do what they can to get them. XJT and SKW are hiring more than anyone and that's why you see the best payrates there. It isn't because ALPA is doing anything. If ALPA was doing something you'd see a standards across the board from all ALPA members. Which you don't. You don't see Mesa inline with XJT do you? If ALPA had anything real to add they'd have all their guys inline.

True SKW can turn around a year from now and screw everyone. Till that happens there is no arguement. Lets say XJT drop wages of everyone by 15% next year (though I seriously seriously doubt it). What would ALPA do to stop it? When have they stopped it in the past? If they were effective Mesa wouldn't be sitting where it is. They could go on strike, let the pilots not earn any money and go broke, then have the strike overturned by a judge and viola there it is. Look at Comair. This isn't a time where you see everyone making a ton of money and the pilots just think they deserve a little more. This is a time when many companies are dancing on that fine line of bankruptcy which can basically tie the unions hands. I know it isn't finalized but isn't comair taking a rough 15% hit across the board? It was word of mouth from another pilot so it could be strait false for all I know. But if it is true where did ALPA save them there? All they did was have a long battle with the same end.

Don't get me wrong I think unions are a great thing. I think ALPA is a great thing to have. Wrongful termination, scope clause violation, ect. But at the same time i'm also reasonable enough not to complain about one of the best regional companies out there just because they aren't a memeber. If SKW paid double everyone else but wasn't a member of ALPA would you complain about them then? They offer decent pay, good work rules, happy environment, profit sharing. Where has ALPA secured that for anyone else? They can't even get people's butts who are paying dues out of a sling.

I think ALPA is a necessary thing. I'd hate to work at a place that wasn't a member, unless that place was leading the way in terms of pay and benifits... Which SKW is. I'm a huge fan of XJT as most know. But let SKW get all the flying they can. They are a better company than most and I hope they get anything XJT doesn't want. Would you complain if SKW took all of GoJets' routes and ran them under?

JoeyMeatballs

ALPA wont go to bat for any regional..............period, look at COMAIR, ******* the courts, strike

md11phlyer

Skywest is not a regional airline and is therefore not 'leading the industry.' What 'region' does SKW operate in? All of the US is a region? Companies like Great Lakes, Colgan, Big Sky, etc. are the only true 'regionals' remaining. Skywest is a major airline and until their pay, work rules, etc. exceed those of other majors they are not 'leading the industry.'

This is the attitude that will promote progression for the industry and our profession. The 'at least we're better than Mesa' attitude is a load of sh#t. Start comparing yourselves to United, Delta, etc. as you're doing their flying now anyway.

JoeyMeatballs

I like it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I really do

Korean1DR

Wow... good point...