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Old 06-12-2019 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Beech Dude
Still trying to get smart on these terms. Can you guys explain what "Junior Manning" is? Thanks.
Junior FO gets assigned to work during the time they are supposed to be off... They might even grab you at the end of a trip after the go home leg and tell you that you need to fly for 2 more days... Might apply to junior CAs also?
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Old 06-14-2019 | 03:39 PM
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Do you know of which major airlines Republic pilots typically move on to? (Rough percentages, and how long from date of hire they were able to go?) Seems to be a lot of emphasis on flow agreements these days...


Also what is the likelihood of a new hire starting late this summer getting PHL right out of training, and if not that, then EWR? (And reserve times?)
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Old 06-14-2019 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearPr0p
Do you know of which major airlines Republic pilots typically move on to? (Rough percentages, and how long from date of hire they were able to go?) Seems to be a lot of emphasis on flow agreements these days...


Also what is the likelihood of a new hire starting late this summer getting PHL right out of training, and if not that, then EWR? (And reserve times?)
Republic pilots make it to any of the majors they can individually get on with. Anywhere from 2 to 10 plus years (non mil) from doh. There is no pathway program to anywhere yet, but that being said those aren’t close to being guaranteed, including the AA flows. Those programs are good to have as another option but keep in mind you will sacrifice a lot of QOL at those regionals if you buy in.

I’m not sure about PHL but it seems like the new hire classes are still getting EWR out of training with reserve times on the very low end.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by stabapch
Republic pilots make it to any of the majors they can individually get on with. Anywhere from 2 to 10 plus years (non mil) from doh. There is no pathway program to anywhere yet, but that being said those aren’t close to being guaranteed, including the AA flows. Those programs are good to have as another option but keep in mind you will sacrifice a lot of QOL at those regionals if you buy in.

I’m not sure about PHL but it seems like the new hire classes are still getting EWR out of training with reserve times on the very low end.
Outside of getting into trouble and hiring stopping at AA (which means everyone else will not be hiring), explain to me how the AA flow isn’t guaranteed?
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Old 06-15-2019 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Outside of getting into trouble and hiring stopping at AA (which means everyone else will not be hiring), explain to me how the AA flow isn’t guaranteed?


To my knowledge, if AA decides to stop the flow program, they can just stop the flow program. If they decide it is better for them to not have a flow, they will get rid of it
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Old 06-15-2019 | 03:22 AM
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To my knowledge, if AA decides to stop the flow program, they can just stop the flow program. If they decide it is better for them to not have a flow, they will get rid of it
Nah, it has the be approved by the pilots. The only limiting factor for PSA’s flow is that AA has to have classes. But if AA doesn’t have any classes we’re all boned anyways.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Outside of getting into trouble and hiring stopping at AA (which means everyone else will not be hiring), explain to me how the AA flow isn’t guaranteed?
That’s just a mantra that pilots without flow tell themselves, to make them feel better about not having one.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 09:26 AM
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That’s just a mantra that pilots without flow tell themselves, to make them feel better about not having one.
I am aware....
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Old 06-16-2019 | 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearPr0p
Junior FO gets assigned to work during the time they are supposed to be off... They might even grab you at the end of a trip after the go home leg and tell you that you need to fly for 2 more days... Might apply to junior CAs also?
Thanks for the help!
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Old 06-16-2019 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
That’s just a mantra that pilots without flow tell themselves, to make them feel better about not having one.
Lol, that's good. I needed the laugh.

The flow is 100% meterable AND reversible during times of furlough, and there are signs that AAG is already metering the flow to mainline. There is virtually no incentive for AAG to flow pilots. Why pay you more, when they can pay you less and keep you there. If you read the ENY contract, which discusses flow, you can see that the flow reduces to 25% of AA new hire slots meterable to 15%, after the protected pilots, the first 824 pilots on property flow. The flow is a joke, and it's another reason why ENY will just be another Mesa with make-up on. To those who elect to go there in order to personally advance themselves, they keep the bar lowered for the entire industry.

The AA WO pilots get to enjoy at all what they have thanks to the pilots at Republic, Skywest, and Endeavor. if it wasn't for those pilot groups, the starting pay would still be $26/hr.
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