Republic vs. PSA
04-10-2019 | 04:44 AM
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I’m at PSA and I’m very thankful for our pay raises but we still do not compete with Republic in overall pay since our soft pay and premium pay is lacking. I’m on the 5 year captain pay scale and I’m guessing I will make around 90k/year with the new rates. I plan on averaging around 80 hours and 15-17 days off a month. I was actually already making about 90k with the old rates because we had better premium pay than the new tier system we just switched to. I’m guessing the republic guys should easily be able to clear 100k-110k with similar days off. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Im curious what the republic captains are making with 12-13 days off.... 130k plus or more?
Also the PSA FOs aren’t really getting a raise. They basically converted the retention bonus to pay rates based on flying roughly 75 hours a month. I’d take pay rates over bonuses all day long, but like I said, FOs are still making basically the same salary as they were before. If you fly more than 75 hours it comes out to a raise. Less than 75 hours is a pay cut. So neutral gain for FOs in my opinion, but definitely a plus that it’s in the form of pay rates instead of a bonus now.
Not trying to be negative. Just trying to put out some factual stats. PSA has an unrestricted SAP which is huge. I’m thankful for our raises but our soft pay rules suck. Until those improve (hopefully with PBS) you will earn a good chunk more at Republic.
Also the PSA FOs aren’t really getting a raise. They basically converted the retention bonus to pay rates based on flying roughly 75 hours a month. I’d take pay rates over bonuses all day long, but like I said, FOs are still making basically the same salary as they were before. If you fly more than 75 hours it comes out to a raise. Less than 75 hours is a pay cut. So neutral gain for FOs in my opinion, but definitely a plus that it’s in the form of pay rates instead of a bonus now.
Not trying to be negative. Just trying to put out some factual stats. PSA has an unrestricted SAP which is huge. I’m thankful for our raises but our soft pay rules suck. Until those improve (hopefully with PBS) you will earn a good chunk more at Republic.
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04-12-2019 | 05:27 AM
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I’m at PSA and I’m very thankful for our pay raises but we still do not compete with Republic in overall pay since our soft pay and premium pay is lacking. I’m on the 5 year captain pay scale and I’m guessing I will make around 90k/year with the new rates. I plan on averaging around 80 hours and 15-17 days off a month. I was actually already making about 90k with the old rates because we had better premium pay than the new tier system we just switched to. I’m guessing the republic guys should easily be able to clear 100k-110k with similar days off. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Im curious what the republic captains are making with 12-13 days off.... 130k plus or more?
Also the PSA FOs aren’t really getting a raise. They basically converted the retention bonus to pay rates based on flying roughly 75 hours a month. I’d take pay rates over bonuses all day long, but like I said, FOs are still making basically the same salary as they were before. If you fly more than 75 hours it comes out to a raise. Less than 75 hours is a pay cut. So neutral gain for FOs in my opinion, but definitely a plus that it’s in the form of pay rates instead of a bonus now.
Not trying to be negative. Just trying to put out some factual stats. PSA has an unrestricted SAP which is huge. I’m thankful for our raises but our soft pay rules suck. Until those improve (hopefully with PBS) you will earn a good chunk more at Republic.
Also the PSA FOs aren’t really getting a raise. They basically converted the retention bonus to pay rates based on flying roughly 75 hours a month. I’d take pay rates over bonuses all day long, but like I said, FOs are still making basically the same salary as they were before. If you fly more than 75 hours it comes out to a raise. Less than 75 hours is a pay cut. So neutral gain for FOs in my opinion, but definitely a plus that it’s in the form of pay rates instead of a bonus now.
Not trying to be negative. Just trying to put out some factual stats. PSA has an unrestricted SAP which is huge. I’m thankful for our raises but our soft pay rules suck. Until those improve (hopefully with PBS) you will earn a good chunk more at Republic.
04-12-2019 | 05:33 AM
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I love the things I hear/read about Republic, and I already have an interview scheduled in a few weeks. However, I'm a little concerned about a few things...
I live close to BNA, have a family and am not interested in moving. So I'll be commuting, but to where most likely? I don't necessarily mind the idea of commuting, but I'm concerned about reserve time, as that would definitely take me away from home a lot more.
I understand I can expect to upgrade in around 2 years, so what will that mean as far as bases go? I know FO junior/senior bases aren't usually the same as CA junior/senior bases.
Another option I have is PSA, which has a crew base 2.5 hours drive time from me (TYS). I'm hearing some negative things about PSA, and I hear mostly positive things about Republic, but with QOL being my number one consideration, I'm wondering if I'd be better off living close to base. I'm told I could easily get the TYS base right out of training, but then I've also heard that PSA forces upgrades and makes people change their bases.
As a side note, my current long-term goal is to fly for SWA.
Appreciate any advice on this... a little bewildered with all the information I'm trying to ingest!
I live close to BNA, have a family and am not interested in moving. So I'll be commuting, but to where most likely? I don't necessarily mind the idea of commuting, but I'm concerned about reserve time, as that would definitely take me away from home a lot more.
I understand I can expect to upgrade in around 2 years, so what will that mean as far as bases go? I know FO junior/senior bases aren't usually the same as CA junior/senior bases.
Another option I have is PSA, which has a crew base 2.5 hours drive time from me (TYS). I'm hearing some negative things about PSA, and I hear mostly positive things about Republic, but with QOL being my number one consideration, I'm wondering if I'd be better off living close to base. I'm told I could easily get the TYS base right out of training, but then I've also heard that PSA forces upgrades and makes people change their bases.
As a side note, my current long-term goal is to fly for SWA.
Appreciate any advice on this... a little bewildered with all the information I'm trying to ingest!
04-12-2019 | 08:30 AM
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because your premium and soft pay rules are much better. We only get 50% deadhead and 3.5 hour min day with carve outs just to name a few. Plus, our trips are much lower credit on average. I should be making about 90k/year with our new pay rates with 15-17 days off. I’m guessing a Republic captain will make 110k-120k if not more with similar days off. I’ve heard of numerous Republic FOs making more than 70k without much effort and a few getting close to 100k. Our highest paid FOs will be lucky to top 60k even if they fly their butt off with the new rates.
That’s not really a complaint. Although, flowing 10 pilots a month is almost meaningless for 1900 pilots now... flow is worth something for the senior pilots like myself that got hired at a good time. Obviously, flow is meant to keep costs down. While it would be nice, realistically we can’t have flow AND match the top pay rates of Endeavor and Republic.
04-12-2019 | 08:52 AM
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But he is not completely wrong though either, it’s a balance. I think seeking good qol can lull a person into a trap of getting comfortable with where they are and losing sight at the end goal.
QOL is important, but keep the end goal in sight as well. Ie, it’s a balance.
QOL is important, but keep the end goal in sight as well. Ie, it’s a balance.
05-01-2019 | 06:43 AM
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So what's the latest on this topic? As someone seeking to get started in the 121 world mid summer with a Philly base....
How do the 2 compare? Is forced upgrading (displacement) at PSA still a thing?
From what I have been reading I shouldn't even look at any flow agreement especially with a 4 year degree because it won't do me any good, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is it true that United rarely hires Republic pilots because they also fly for the competition?
Also I've been reading nothing but bad things about Piedmont..
How do the 2 compare? Is forced upgrading (displacement) at PSA still a thing?
From what I have been reading I shouldn't even look at any flow agreement especially with a 4 year degree because it won't do me any good, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is it true that United rarely hires Republic pilots because they also fly for the competition?
Also I've been reading nothing but bad things about Piedmont..
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