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Old 05-28-2022, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by IronCondor View Post
Well, the fact of matter is the Europeans can and continue to safely put 300 hour CPLs in the right seat of 737s and A320s and we in the US can too with the right training and mentorship. I've been in the software industry 25 years and I see the same attitude from some folks who went to college and got the 4 years computer science degree. I guess it's human nature to be want to keep the barrier to entry high so the pool of qualified applicants is smaller and salaries are bigger. My specialty is database development and management. They barely scratch the surface of this specialty in the comp science degree programs so everyone has to learn for themselves and from the veterans when they reach industry. The market was screaming out for qualified candidates that it could find or afford. This problem has been solved by technology and the cloud (do more with less). Bottom line, technology will eat your lunch too in aviation and single pilot airliners will start appearing. How much fun will your $300k+ job be then sitting there on your own for hours and hours trying to stay awake. Good luck with that Chief.

I think the most valuable experience is what is most closely related to your job, and 1200 hours of CFIing VFR is overkill doing a job that isn't that similar to 121. The Air Force trains people to fly F22s, C17s, etc with less flight time than a CPL, but it costs $3M, is very standardized, and pushes very smart, dedicated people to their limits throughout the whole program. I'm ok with them lowering the hour requirements as long as new pilots get high-quality, commensurate training. If Republic wants to hire people at 250 hours, but then require them to complete a year-long, standardized, 121 syllabus, with 100 graded sims, and high standards, then I'm ok with that. If they want to hire 250-hour pilots, and then add a few lessons to their existing FO syllabus, maybe pay for some time in a Cessna, and call it good, then I hope the execs go to jail for negligence when something goes wrong.


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Removing a pilot makes the only remaining pilot a single point of failure, and there's a reason why redundant systems are a thing, especially in aviation. They might reduce the required augmented crew for long-haul, because it's mostly low workload, but when the sterile light is on, you need two pilots up there.
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Old 05-28-2022, 07:33 AM
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shhh.... you're not supposed to stray from the scripted union/liberal/Democrat/Obama talking points.
Oh no, I better get back on the highway of allowable opinion. lol
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Old 05-28-2022, 07:41 AM
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I think the most valuable experience is what is most closely related to your job, and 1200 hours of CFIing VFR is overkill doing a job that isn't that similar to 121. The Air Force trains people to fly F22s, C17s, etc with less flight time than a CPL, but it costs $3M, is very standardized, and pushes very smart, dedicated people to their limits throughout the whole program. I'm ok with them lowering the hour requirements as long as new pilots get high-quality, commensurate training. If Republic wants to hire people at 250 hours, but then require them to complete a year-long, standardized, 121 syllabus, with 100 graded sims, and high standards, then I'm ok with that. If they want to hire 250-hour pilots, and then add a few lessons to their existing FO syllabus, maybe pay for some time in a Cessna, and call it good, then I hope the execs go to jail for negligence when something goes wrong.


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Removing a pilot makes the only remaining pilot a single point of failure, and there's a reason why redundant systems are a thing, especially in aviation. They might reduce the required augmented crew for long-haul, because it's mostly low workload, but when the sterile light is on, you need two pilots up there.
Nail on the head. What people DONT talk about here is that those 300 hour CPL in Europe have never done a Chantelle or 8s on pylons. They've spent their ENTIRE training process in a highly rigorous airline style training pipeline.
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Old 05-28-2022, 09:08 AM
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No so much. How does that work? So many hours of solitude in the cockpit and then make good decisions? What is your background to state this bs?

Air France 447
How about you spend some time looking into what Airbus is looking to trial on the A350.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:22 AM
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The AF 447 pilots had thousands of hours. That crash was more to do with over reliance on automation and poor CRM. Show me some evidence that 300 hr Easyjet pilots are screwing up majorly.
It’s called experience, I’ll fly with a 3000hr pilot over a 300hr pilot any day
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Old 05-29-2022, 04:36 PM
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How about you spend some time looking into what Airbus is looking to trial on the A350.
Just cuz the engineers can build it doesn't make it right or smart.
Solitary confinement is a well known punishment for good reason.
Pilots make mistakes...the other pilot is there to help trap them, give correction feedback and support, yell "go around" etc ... Redundancy.
Better no pilot than single pilot.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by apc1432 View Post
Just cuz the engineers can build it doesn't make it right or smart.
Solitary confinement is a well known punishment for good reason.
Pilots make mistakes...the other pilot is there to help trap them, give correction feedback and support, yell "go around" etc ... Redundancy.
Better no pilot than single pilot.
I am not disagreeing with you about this. The only point I was making in my earlier post is that Single Pilot Airliners are already coming down the pipe regardless the pushback against the reduction of the 1500 hours. It’s not a matter of if but it’s a when. It’s naive to believe otherwise.

As I’ve said, look into Airbus research into it with regarding the A350. Cathay Pacific was already looking for a way to get involved with the studies…

Don’t think I am taking a position of supporting single pilot airliners or any reduction of the 1500 hour rule.
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Old 05-29-2022, 07:41 PM
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Dropping the hour requirement because a regional wants you to is absolutely as reasonable as letting Boeing certify their own aircraft because the company wants you to. And just how well did that work out?
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Old 06-02-2022, 02:40 PM
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I think the problem is that 1500 is an arbitrary number, there's no real rhyme or reason to it. I'm a student myself but I can't help but think that a fairly rigorous program of simulator training in a jet would much better prepare me for the airlines than towing banners for two summers would. There has to be a better way of properly evaluating pilots than just saying fly 1500 hours and you're qualified. Just my $.02
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Old 06-02-2022, 02:58 PM
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I think the problem is that 1500 is an arbitrary number, there's no real rhyme or reason to it.
The rhyme and reason is 1500 hours is the FAR minimum to hold an unrestricted Airline Transport Pilot certificate.
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