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11-10-2014 | 08:27 AM

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Looks like they were going for the same technique seen here... From the boeing flight test team, who probably know how to land airplanes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2LtHrn9Jw

No that video is fake. Planes can't land like that.

11-10-2014 | 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TBucket

Looks like they were going for the same technique seen here... From the boeing flight test team, who probably know how to land airplanes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2LtHrn9Jw

Maybe they were testing side load limits as opposed to demonstrating good crosswind technique.
I don't know though...
As the saying goes:
"There are 3 secrets to a perfect landing....
but no pilot knows what they actually are."

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11-10-2014 | 09:00 AM

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Looks like they were going for the same technique seen here... From the boeing flight test team, who probably know how to land airplanes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2LtHrn9Jw

That was a flight test crew demonstrating that improper crosswind technique won't destroy the aircaft... Don't confuse that video with a "How to" video on landing in a crosswind.

Further, watch Airbus test pilots land in OSH w/ a crosswind and get raked over the coals.

A380 Hard Landing at Oshkosh - YouTube

Stop making excuses for poor airmanship.

11-10-2014 | 09:03 AM

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Most transport airliners are certified to land in a full crab at max demo crosswind.

Not that it's optimum, though. I watched that video and kept thinking "ok he's going to kick it out now... maybe now? ...nevermind."

It's impressive that they stayed on the centerline as well as they did with that amount of sideloading.

11-10-2014 | 09:05 AM

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They're ribbing them for slamming hard. Nothing to do with their (proper) crabbed technique.

11-10-2014 | 09:18 AM

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Fine job? Do you think his flight instructor said that when he landed his 172 like that?

That landing was complete ****. It's one thing to use correct technique and plant it on, but it's another to just have a lack of flying skills.

By fine job, i meant it's a miracle he kept it on the pavement (if not the CL) and didn't fold the gear or bend metal.

What he should have done was divert like the hundreds of other flights that day.

Clear enough for ya now?

(What's the technique over there at Mesa?)

11-10-2014 | 09:31 AM

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Max demonstrated on the type is 38kts for a dry runway, Republic's limitation is 28kts with an allowance for gusts above that.

Max demo is not a limit.

11-10-2014 | 09:34 AM

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Microsoft FlightSim X?

11-10-2014 | 09:37 AM

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They're ribbing them for slamming hard. Nothing to do with their (proper) crabbed technique.

Negative. The comments were directed to both the hard landing and the PIO event that was bred from landing in a "severe crab". As the a/c touches down in the crab, the gear trucks are attempting to line up with the centerline (since the pilot didn't beforehand) then followed by late pilot rudder inputs to do the same but albeit a bit much. The PIO would not have been an event if, prior to touchdown, corrective rudder and complementary aileron were used.

I posted the vid simply to say landings like that must be the exception and not the rule. And while no doubt the aircraft are designed to withstand as much, limitations are NOT goals. Just because the aircraft can (land in a crab) doesn't mean you should.

11-10-2014 | 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I watched that video and kept thinking "ok he's going to kick it out now... maybe now? ...nevermind."

It's impressive that they stayed on the centerline as well as they did with that amount of sideloading.

Agreed!

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Max demo is not a limit.

Duh! I should hope anyone here would understand what max demonstrated means.

For folks not familiar with Republic's SOP, we are hard limited to 28kts crosswind, which is a less than the max demonstrated, which I mention for people not familiar with the type.

As an additional datapoint, S5 (Shuttle America) has no limitation. Their SOP actually just lists the max demonstrated for various conditions. Which is NOT how the YX manual reads, even though we are the same company.