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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:44 PM
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I have friends at Skywest so I know it is not a limit for you guys but it is at most other airlines. Delta for one. At Delta and just about everywhere else I know of other than Skywest, it is the limit including gusts for takeoff and landing.

That said, I understand that it is simply the "max demonstrated" but do you feel it is good judgement to operate in an area of unknown performance? I'm sure you'd agree that the safest, and by definition default, course of action would be to always operate within the limits of demonstrated performance.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
Does anyone know what the winds were that day in ORD? Just curious.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:48 PM
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You always get the airplane out of the crab a such as possible. But even the 757/767 you're going to take out that crab as much as possible. In an 88/90 if you want to wait to the flare to take out the crab you're going to have a nasty landing. Some airplanes require taking the crab out earlier than others. But you don't want to just land in a crab.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:51 PM
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Checked out the hourly reports for the day -

Most of it was 15G27kts and 80-90 degrees off of the runway. Hourly report peak that I saw was 32kts. Might have had higher gusts between hourly reports in the notes.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobman80
but do you feel it is good judgement to operate in an area of unknown performance? .
Unfortunately, a whole new generation of 1500 hour wonder super macho "I have not died yet so I must be doing something right" airline pilots with a history of bad judgement illustrated by the poor decisions they've made in their short lifetimes is getting hired and sent to the left seat of part 121 jetttttz at an alarming rate.

Of course, none of this will change until there's a tragic loss of life and then we'll all end up paying the price via the next level of regulation were destined to endure.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Unfortunately, a whole new generation of 1500 hour wonder super macho "I have not died yet so I must be doing something right" airline pilots with a history of bad judgement illustrated by the poor decisions they've made in their short lifetimes is getting hired and sent to the left seat of part 121 jetttttz at an alarming rate.

Of course, none of this will change until there's a tragic loss of life and then we'll all end up paying the price via the next level of regulation were destined to endure.
I thought 1500 hours was meant to solve that problem?
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Old 11-10-2014 | 03:07 PM
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I thought 1500 hours was meant to solve that problem?

ELOHEL, when airlines blatantly disregard terrible backgrounds, enforcement actions, 709's, arrests, checkride failures and flying employment history to hire the otherwise unemployable via "hiring partnerships" with flight schools or over the phone I'd say the '1500 hour rule' is a total failure.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 03:21 PM
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I just know that if you tried landing a MD-11 like that, you're probably gonna end up dead. Side loads on landing are a very,very,very bad thing in the Maddog.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 03:24 PM
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ELOHEL, when airlines blatantly disregard terrible backgrounds, enforcement actions, 709's, arrests, checkride failures and flying employment history to hire the otherwise unemployable via "hiring partnerships" with flight schools or over the phone I'd say the '1500 hour rule' is a total failure.
What do the hiring partnerships have to do with anything? When I interviewed, I went through the same process the Air Force E-4 pilot and the Army King Air pilot next to me went through.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Unfortunately, a whole new generation of 1500 hour wonder super macho "I have not died yet so I must be doing something right" airline pilots with a history of bad judgement illustrated by the poor decisions they've made in their short lifetimes is getting hired and sent to the left seat of part 121 jetttttz at an alarming rate.

Of course, none of this will change until there's a tragic loss of life and then we'll all end up paying the price via the next level of regulation were destined to endure.
So it went from being 250 hour wonder to 1500 hour wonders? When does wonder drop off? I assume you are at one of these companies where "a whole new generation" of these pilots that are of so macho are getting hired? Since one wouldn't make such generalizations without knowing it and seeing it firsthand right? I'm wondering what an alarming rate is for you? What are these poor decisions you refer to? So if you want the regulations for stop this thing from happening, you want more regulations right? So if something happened and they raised the requirement, how is that paying the price? Isnt that what you want? more regulation? I am very confused as to what you are trying to say with all of this....please enlighten me.
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