ORD Republic X-wind Landing
11-10-2014 | 10:00 AM
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Back to the previously scheduled programming.
11-10-2014 | 10:01 AM
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Negative. The comments were directed to both the hard landing and the PIO event that was bred from landing in a "severe crab". As the a/c touches down in the crab, the gear trucks are attempting to line up with the centerline (since the pilot didn't beforehand) then followed by late pilot rudder inputs to do the same but albeit a bit much. The PIO would not have been an event if, prior to touchdown, corrective rudder and complementary aileron were used.
I posted the vid simply to say landings like that must be the exception and not the rule. And while no doubt the aircraft are designed to withstand as much, limitations are NOT goals. Just because the aircraft can (land in a crab) doesn't mean you should.
I posted the vid simply to say landings like that must be the exception and not the rule. And while no doubt the aircraft are designed to withstand as much, limitations are NOT goals. Just because the aircraft can (land in a crab) doesn't mean you should.
A "good" landing is one which you can walk away from. A "great" landing is one which lets you use the airplane another time.
A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations that would require the use of his superior skills.
11-10-2014 | 10:13 AM
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Years ago when I was riding jumpseat on an F-28 into Charlotte, I witnessed something I just couldn't believe. It was the FO's leg and it was obvious he was fairly new. There was a steady crosswind out of the west and he crabbed all the way down. As we got a little closer, I could see the captain positioning his feet on the rudder pedals. We hit in a full crab, bouncing from left to right gear and pulled off on the high speed. You could tell the FO was a little embarrassed and the captain said, "I guess you don't use your rudder much in that F-16." And I guess he didn't. I learned to fly in a tail dragger, so what appears to be the lack of basics kinda makes me wonder.
11-10-2014 | 11:31 AM
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Years ago when I was riding jumpseat on an F-28 into Charlotte, I witnessed something I just couldn't believe. It was the FO's leg and it was obvious he was fairly new. There was a steady crosswind out of the west and he crabbed all the way down. As we got a little closer, I could see the captain positioning his feet on the rudder pedals. We hit in a full crab, bouncing from left to right gear and pulled off on the high speed. You could tell the FO was a little embarrassed and the captain said, "I guess you don't use your rudder much in that F-16." And I guess he didn't. I learned to fly in a tail dragger, so what appears to be the lack of basics kinda makes me wonder.
11-10-2014 | 11:34 AM
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Most transport airliners are certified to land in a full crab at max demo crosswind.
Not that it's optimum, though. I watched that video and kept thinking "ok he's going to kick it out now... maybe now? ...nevermind."
It's impressive that they stayed on the centerline as well as they did with that amount of sideloading.
Not that it's optimum, though. I watched that video and kept thinking "ok he's going to kick it out now... maybe now? ...nevermind."
It's impressive that they stayed on the centerline as well as they did with that amount of sideloading.
11-10-2014 | 02:36 PM
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Thanks for injecting a dose of sanity into the conversation. Aside from needing a little more rudder, that landing was inline with our SOP. I.E. landing in a crab is permitted.
Max demonstrated on the type is 38kts for a dry runway, Republic's limitation is 28kts with an allowance for gusts above that.
Max demonstrated on the type is 38kts for a dry runway, Republic's limitation is 28kts with an allowance for gusts above that.
I will also agree that the long telephoto lens angle of the video exaggerates things but the landing wasn't "text book" perfection either.
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