I'm sure this is posted in the thread somewhere farther back. I'm looking to come to RAH. I've heard different things about the minimum time you need to start. Is it 1450/1465/1475 or 1500?


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Ask again after the Dec 1 consolidation of certificates. Everything will be much clearer then.

Generally it's highly variable and base dependent, but I almost always get trips commutable on at least one end. However I'm on the shrinking certificate (S5). YMMV...

 

It's accurate if you consider the ENTIRE compensation package (wages, per diem, signing bonus, benefits) AFTER training is complete. Wages are estimated at $40K (they use about 83 hours/mo), per diem is $5800, signing bonus $7500 (with ATP), and benefits are $6200. However, Year 1 also consists of 3-5 months of training where you get less pay. First month of training is $1600 and systems/sims is paid at MMG. Therefore, your first full year of wages from date of hire will be in the neighborhood of $37K. There's no per diem during training so that's another $1900 lost. So I'd say that actual first year compensation (from date of hire) with a $7500 signing bonus would be more like $54.5K.

Year 2 wages barely move ($41/hour), but you'll gain the per diem and 12 months worth of flying wages. So Year 2 would be around $53K total compensation since there is no bonus.

 

PER DIEM IS NOT COMPENSATION!!!

The ad downright lies, not to mention the fact that it's disingenuous to include medical benefits when advertising pay.

I'm surprised they didn't tack on a price tag to the flight benefits too....

 

Why? Every company likes to talk about how great their benefits are.

 

I'm pretty new here, but not sure why someone would not consider per diem compensation. Per diem varies among the airlines, so companies that give $1.90/hr provide more money than one that gives $1.65/hr. That sounds like a monetary perk to me.

Ask someone that is paying for their own health insurance if health benefits should be considered compensation...I think the answer would be a firm yes. Otherwise, that is money coming out of your pocket and a penny saved is a penny earned.

I do agree that on first glance, the ad could fool someone to believe that the salary is nearly $60K a year since you have to click on the banner to see how it's actually broken down. However, highlighting the value of the entire compensation package is fairly standard and a good way of comparing apples to apples. RAH could have taken it several steps further and put down the monetary value of the iPad, uniforms, LuggageWorks bag, ATP-CTP, etc., but I think they kept it to industry standard on what connotes compensation.

I did not see any lies in the ad. It would have been disingenuous only if they had not broken down the items/values that make up the stated dollar figure. My $.02.

 

Per diem is a reimbursement plain and simple. It's not compensation, nor does the IRS count it as compensation. Period.

Point me to one other airline advertising that or medical in their compensation figures on their ads. Endeavor advertises $50K first year and that's ONLY the 75 hour min plus the bonus. No bogus per diem or Heath insurance in that figure. I haven't seen one other airline be disingenuous in their ads like Republic.

Get back to me when Endeavor starts advertising $70,000 first year "compensation" because that's exactly what it is, using "Republic math"

 

Straight from Endeavor's website: "If money is your motivation, you'll earn it with your monthly flying hours, a $3,000 training completion bonus, a $20,000 annual retention package, and a competitive per diem and benefits package." Although they didn't state a specific value to the overall compensation, they broke per diem and benefits out in the above quote as part of the money package.

Your definition of reimbursement is not the same as mine. Are you collecting receipts for meals and filing them with your company to be paid back? Or are you collecting a set amount based purely on the amount of hours you are away from home? If it's the latter, then it's not reimbursement. Period.

Who cares what the IRS considers part of your income? I'm pretty damn happy I got a good amount of money from the military that didn't calculate into my adjusted gross income, but I'll sure as hell call it compensation.

 

[QUOTE=ALI G Mmmm;2190042]I'm sure this is posted in the thread somewhere farther back. I'm looking to come to RAH. I've heard different things about the minimum time you need to start. Is it 1450/1465/1475 or 1500?


A recruiter told me its's 1500. They only give a 25hr reduction if you graduated from an aviation school.

 

What is the use of Per Diem? It's to reimburse meals and incidentals. Just a different way to do reimbursement that requires less auditing, that's all. No different than government entities that use per diem. It is classified as reimbursement, and it IS reimbursement. To claim that as compensation weakens our position as pilots.

Saying you have competitive medical and benefits is not the same as assigning the dollar value to the "total compensation" number. One is an accurate way to inform an applicant of the benefits available to them at the company, the other is an attempt to mislead people who don't know any better into thinking they are paid more.

If you really think what Republic is doing is somhow not misleading, I have some sugary children's beverage to sell you.