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Old 03-24-2016 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
All 3 legacy partners have a huge stake in RAH. There will be no acquisition or merger here. All 3 have too much to lose to allow either of the others to make that purchase.
We'll then UA or AA better open up the wallet. Brilliant move by Delta if it's true. Speculation at this point. Skywest covers UA while Envoy picks up AA.
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Old 03-24-2016 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
That's nearly 200 planes. Can't repaint even a fraction of those with deltas scope limitations. DIP does not equal ownership. Far from it actually.
Dump the 145s and it's 150 airplanes. Sell 25 each to UAL and AA and you're down to 100. Ability to hire any pilot you want = no problem.
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Old 03-24-2016 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
That's nearly 200 planes. Can't repaint even a fraction of those with deltas scope limitations. DIP does not equal ownership. Far from it actually.
Far from it? Please explain? Delta now has a huge lean or security interest on Republic. I love how you just throw that out there without any facts to back that up
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Old 03-24-2016 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
All 3 legacy partners have a huge stake in RAH. There will be no acquisition or merger here. All 3 have too much to lose to allow either of the others to make that purchase.
How many million does it take to hostile takeover Republic? How many billions does Delta have? The airline that does it first will get the privilege of screwing the other two over. Just like Delta did to United with Colgan.

Furthermore with the debtor-in-possession financing Delta now became the stakeholder the judge is most likely to side with.
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Old 03-24-2016 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
That's nearly 200 planes. Can't repaint even a fraction of those with deltas scope limitations. DIP does not equal ownership. Far from it actually.

News flash, DAL could dump other two class airplanes from other DCI carriers and replace them with the 175's, allowing them to stay within scope, bring the flying in house, control the product, AND save money. Not stupid delta is.
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Old 03-24-2016 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BATOL
News flash, DAL could dump other two class airplanes from other DCI carriers and replace them with the 175's, allowing them to stay within scope, bring the flying in house, control the product, AND save money. Not stupid delta is.
The other 175s that are co-financed by other Main Line partners? Are those the 175s you're talking about?
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Old 03-24-2016 | 07:34 PM
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The other 175s that are co-financed by other Main Line partners? Are those the 175s you're talking about?
Not sure how this going to turn out. I'm terrible on trying to figure Delta out. But, I'm pretty sure Delta isn't in the game to help Repubic out and have it benefit their competition. My guess, and it's only a guess, would be to only be dealing with the Shuttle certificate. In hindsight it's easy to connect the dots, but bankruptcy is often planned well in advance. What was the reason they killed the Chitaquqa certificate and merged them into Shuttle?
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Old 03-24-2016 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Not sure how this going to turn out. I'm terrible on trying to figure Delta out. But, I'm pretty sure Delta isn't in the game to help Repubic out and have it benefit their competition. My guess, and it's only a guess, would be to only be dealing with the Shuttle certificate. In hindsight it's easy to connect the dots, but bankruptcy is often planned well in advance. What was the reason they killed the Chitaquqa certificate and merged them into Shuttle?
I belive the ultimate goal was to sell the Chautauqua certificate with a bunch of unprofitable 145s. This deal could turn out bad for either Endeavor or Republic. Perhaps both.

Delta may have just gotten 2000+ pilots for only 30 planes worth of flying. This could be bad for the 20k retention bonus that the folks at Endeavor have been enjoying. Hopefully their contract protects them.

Republic may be looking at a significant reduction in flying if Delta move to aquire them outright. The rumor that Endeavor is starting up a 175 training program would also scare me if I were at Republic.

Overall I hope it works out for the folks at each individual regional. I still have friends at both.
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Old 03-24-2016 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
That won't happen. Isn't delta scoped out? Wouldn't Republic have to release all other mainline partners' flying (just like Colgan had to shutdown)?

This is exactly what happened 4 years ago.

Pinnacle Airlines Corporation | World Airline News | Page 2
I can't believe how hard it is to find current and accurate numbers on the delta connection fleet, the most comprehensive source I've found is the wikipedia entry on delta connection. Per delta's current contract, Delta can subcontract out 223 76 seaters and 102 70 seaters for a combined total of 325. I didn't do the breakdown of 70/76 seaters, I just added up all the 70+ seaters listed.

If wikipedia is to be believed, there are currently 302 70+ seat aircraft being operated at Delta Connection currently. I know of 19 175's going into service with OO for delta later this year, which would bring the total to 321, just 4 shy of their max possible.

I'm sure this isn't 100% accurate, but I feel like it's pretty close. The bottom line is that delta really doesn't have many more new 70+ seat aircraft that they could possibly add. Does anyone believe that the mainline pilots are going to give up scope in their next contract?
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Old 03-24-2016 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Beast
Debtor in possession means Delta now owns Republic. Options for more 170s means repainting the AA and UAL planes. Only question is how will Republic be structured; as a separate subsidiary or merged with Endeavor.
? Maybe this is just written funny but-
The Debtor-in-possession is RAH. Delta is now financing the Debtor-in-possession which means if they are at the front of the line to get their money back out of RAH.
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