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03-30-2016 | 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MacrossJet

Is 1000 PIC enough? Competitive mins for most majors for non mil civilian route is 5000 hrs PIC and up. 1000 PIC, is just the basement floor.

5000 PIC and up is absolutely false. The average non mil civilian hired at Delta has about 8500 total hours. You really think 5000 or more of that is PIC? Not even close. The majority have around 1000 T-PIC or less and in the case of the civilian FOs we hire they typically have none.

03-30-2016 | 04:42 PM

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Is 1000 PIC enough? Competitive mins for most majors for non mil civilian route is 5000 hrs PIC and up. 1000 PIC, is just the basement floor.

I really don't know. But WhiskeyDelta above seems to have some insight.

03-30-2016 | 05:10 PM

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Agreed. Good plan. Get the boxes checked then go to a place where the QOL and pay will keep you happy while you wait for the call. It's only a matter of time and there is no sense in suffering while you wait.

I was actually kidding but in this environment and looking ahead to where the hiring is going, it probably will have no bearing at all.

03-30-2016 | 05:54 PM

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Boy, I know as soon as I got 1000 of PIC, I couldn't stop the harassing phone calls from all the Legacy Airlines begging me to work for them.

03-30-2016 | 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta

Ughh, Nope. Average PIC is much higher than 1,000. Even Military is around 2000+.

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03-30-2016 | 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanP

Ughh, No. Average PIC is much higher than 1,000.

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The conversation recently in this thread has been implied to be about turbine PIC. This chart doesn't make the distinction between T-PIC and non-T-PIC. My main contention is that the magical 1000 hours T-PIC isn't as important as it once was.

03-30-2016 | 06:54 PM

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Those numbers imply TPIC. From speaking to them at a job fair. The average civilian is still around 3500-4000 TPIC and 7K TT. UAL is similar.

03-30-2016 | 07:17 PM

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Those numbers imply TPIC. From speaking to them at a job fair. The average civilian is still around 3500-4000 TPIC and 7K TT. UAL is similar.

We've hired some very high time civilians (20-25k hours) that have skewed that data. Notice the averages since Jan 2014 then look at the entire year for 2015. See the decline (granted that was a partial year at the time of that snapshot)? I bet they will continue to go down.

Speaking from my experience and from what I know of the people that have been hired here from my former regional, the average hasn't been anywhere close to those PIC numbers.