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Old 05-28-2019, 04:40 PM
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From another thread:

"Airspeed at start of first MCAS input 250 kts.
MCAS applied 9 seconds ND trim. the ET pilot applied 3 seconds NU trim, 6 seconds later.
MCAS acitvated 5 seconds after that but was interrupted at 6 seconds by 9 seconds NU trim. (possibly interrupted by trim cutout)"

Total MCAS 15 seconds ND total pilot NU 12 seconds left the aircraft severely out of trim and just under VMO in under 40 seconds and likely unrecoverable using manual/mechanical trim."


To others that have analyzed the report, do you find the above summary accurate?
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From another thread:

"Airspeed at start of first MCAS input 250 kts.
MCAS applied 9 seconds ND trim. the ET pilot applied 3 seconds NU trim, 6 seconds later.
MCAS acitvated 5 seconds after that but was interrupted at 6 seconds by 9 seconds NU trim. (possibly interrupted by trim cutout)"

Total MCAS 15 seconds ND total pilot NU 12 seconds left the aircraft severely out of trim and just under VMO in under 40 seconds and likely unrecoverable using manual/mechanical trim."


To others that have analyzed the report, do you find the above summary accurate?
Interpretations may differ. More to the point, it does not appear they ever pulled back on the throttles.

The aircraft appears to have spooled up its engines at approx 5:38. The AOA divergence and left stick shaker activation occurred at approximately 5:38:45 at an airspeed of roughly 230 knots. The aircraft continued to accelerate hitting VMO at 5:40:45 at which point the stab trim had been disconnected. At 5:41:20 the right overspeed warning activated (and continued to impact), but the aircraft was allowed to continue accelerating well PAST VMO (as registered on either airspeed indicator) with left overspeed warning activated from 5:41:32 to the eventual impact.

As the airspeed continued to build, the forces on the yoke became greater and the Captain instructed the FO (who had 361 hrs TT, about 207 of that in the preceding three months) to trim manually.At 05:41:54, the First-Officer replied that the manual trim was “not working.” Airspeed at that time was about 20-25 knots above VMO.

The aircraft continued to accelerate (engines still at TO power) and sometime before 05:43:10 the stab trim system was reengaged DESPITE THE CAUTION AGAINST DOING THAT IN THE CHECKLIST, because at that point they initiated electrical stab trim briefly twice.

Unfortunately, reengaging the stab trim allowed the MCAS to activate AGAIN and the aircraft nosed over - still at or near full throttle - eventually getting 40 degrees nose down and striking the ground at 5:43:43 going somewhere between 460 and 500 knots depending on which airspeed indicator you wanted to believe.
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Boeing could have easily designed the airplane with hydraulically-boosted elevators with a manual revision similar to many aircraft such as the Gulfstream 450. That would have given the crew the ability to easily maintain a level attitude with moderate control column pressure regardless of what position the stabilizer ran to. The airplanes were delivered with five times the stabilizer travel that the FAA signed off on and did not remotely meet airworthiness requirements. Then Boeing did not tell the crews that pulling back on the control column would not disconnect the trim as on other 737 models they might be flying interchangeably but that after doing so the trim wheel might be stationary due to the design of the system but it was still engaged.
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Then Boeing did not tell the crews that pulling back on the control column would not disconnect the trim as on other 737 models they might be flying interchangeably but that after doing so the trim wheel might be stationary due to the design of the system but it was still engaged.
Moving the column opposite direction to trim applies a trim brake. You still need to disconnect the motors manually.
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Moving the column opposite direction to trim applies a trim brake. You still need to disconnect the motors manually.
I’ve taken a ton of heat here for my stance that training could have helped and that it wasn’t really lack of skill or experience on the part of the accident crews. Some say the current runaway trim procedure is adequate and that failure to use basic airmanship to reduce thrust was a major factor. I will agree that thrust should have been reduced. I can UNDERSTAND why it wasn’t. Understanding isn’t justification or excusing the inaction. I’ve cited several factors and like avianca we can add over reliance on automation to the mix.

All that said I want to share an excellent and I believe accurate YouTube video update that takes a balanced abs reasoned approach to reviewing the factors including the fact that the simulators did not properly replicate trim feel in these situations and the added training that the FAA is likely to require. My stance is that had there been proper disclosure and training then these accidents could have been prevented.

Have a look.

https://youtu.be/n4qDLR4s45U
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Too late to edit the post but one fact I found revealing from the video is the shrinking of the trim wheels over the iterations of the 737.

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I’ve taken a ton of heat here for my stance that training could have helped and that it wasn’t really lack of skill or experience on the part of the accident crews. Some say the current runaway trim procedure is adequate and that failure to use basic airmanship to reduce thrust was a major factor. I will agree that thrust should have been reduced. I can UNDERSTAND why it wasn’t. Understanding isn’t justification or excusing the inaction. I’ve cited several factors and like avianca we can add over reliance on automation to the mix.

All that said I want to share an excellent and I believe accurate YouTube video update that takes a balanced abs reasoned approach to reviewing the factors including the fact that the simulators did not properly replicate trim feel in these situations and the added training that the FAA is likely to require. My stance is that had there been proper disclosure and training then these accidents could have been prevented.

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Too late to edit the post but one fact I found revealing from the video is the shrinking of the trim wheels over the iterations of the 737.

I’m not sure the reduced leverage if the slightly smaller radius trim wheels would have made any difference in the ability of the aircrew to manually trim with the aircraft indicating 380 knots at 7500 MSL. Nor would I like to be the one to do that experiment.

I,m not defending Boeing, the MCAS software could have Ben better and it should have been better. Simply tempering the MCAS response if the second AOA sensor grossly disagreed with the first one for example. It seems like that would have only required a couple lines of code.

But when BOTH overspeed clackers are going off and both airspeed indicators are above VMO, you are already out of the envelope where things are going to work right.

As one of my old IPs once said, ‘If you eff up the basics, nothing else really matters.’
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Boeing Built Deadly Assumptions Into 737 Max, Blind to a Late Design Change

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/b...max-crash.html


By Jack Nicas, Natalie Kitroeff, David Gelles and James GlanzJune 1, 2019

After Boeing removed one of the sensors from an automated flight system on its 737 Max, the jet’s designers and regulators still proceeded as if there would be two.Ruth Fremson/The New York Times


After Boeing removed one of the sensors from an automated flight system on its 737 Max, the jet’s designers and regulators still proceeded as if there would be two.Ruth Fremson/The New York Times
SEATTLE — The fatal flaws with Boeing’s 737 Max can be traced to a breakdown late in the plane’s development, when test pilots, engineers and regulators were left in the dark about a fundamental overhaul to an automated system that would ultimately play a role in two crashes.

A year before the plane was finished, Boeing made the system more aggressive and riskier. While the original version relied on data from at least two types of sensors, the final version used just one, leaving the system without a critical safeguard. In both doomed flights, pilots struggled as a single damaged sensor sent the planes into irrecoverable nose-dives within minutes, killing 346 people and prompting regulators around the world to ground the Max.

But many people involved in building, testing and approving the system, known as MCAS, said they hadn’t fully understood the changes. Current and former employees at Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration who spoke with The New York Times said they had assumed the system relied on more sensors and would rarely, if ever, activate. Based on those misguided assumptions, many made critical decisions, affecting design, certification and training.

“It doesn’t make any sense,” said a former test pilot who worked on the Max. “I wish I had the full story.”

While prosecutors and lawmakers try to piece together what went wrong, the current and former employees point to the single, fateful decision to change the system, which led to a series of design mistakes and regulatory oversights. As Boeing rushed to get the plane done, many of the employees say, they didn’t recognize the importance of the decision. They described a compartmentalized approach, each of them focusing on a small part of the plane. The process left them without a complete view of a critical and ultimately dangerous system.

The company also played down the scope of the system to regulators. Boeing never disclosed the revamp of MCAS to Federal Aviation Administration officials involved in determining pilot training needs, according to three agency officials. When Boeing asked to remove the description of the system from the pilot’s manual, the F.A.A. agreed. As a result, most Max pilots did not know about the software until after the first crash, in October.

“Boeing has no higher priority than the safety of the flying public,” a company spokesman, Gordon Johndroe, said in a statement.

He added that Boeing and regulators had followed standard procedures. “The F.A.A. considered the final configuration and operating parameters of MCAS during Max certification, and concluded that it met all certification and regulatory requirements,” Mr. Johndroe said.

At first, MCAS — Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System — wasn’t a very risky piece of software. The system would trigger only in rare conditions, nudging down the nose of the plane to make the Max handle more smoothly during high-speed moves. And it relied on data from multiple sensors measuring the plane’s acceleration and its angle to the wind, helping to ensure that the software didn’t activate erroneously.

Then Boeing engineers reconceived the system, expanding its role to avoid stalls in all types of situations. They allowed the software to operate throughout much more of the flight. They enabled it to aggressively push down the nose of the plane. And they used only data about the plane’s angle, removing some of the safeguards.

Ray Craig, shown in a 2003 Boeing magazine, was the chief test pilot when he put the Max through maneuvers in a flight simulator in 2012.via Boeing's Aero Magazine


Ray Craig, shown in a 2003 Boeing magazine, was the chief test pilot when he put the Max through maneuvers in a flight simulator in 2012.via Boeing's Aero Magazine
The disasters might have been avoided, if employees and regulators had a better understanding of MCAS.

A test pilot who originally advocated for the expansion of the system didn’t understand how the changes affected its safety. Safety analysts said they would have acted differently if they had known it used just one sensor. Regulators didn’t conduct a formal safety assessment of the new version of MCAS.

The current and former employees, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigations, said that after the first crash, they were stunned to discover MCAS relied on a single sensor.

“That’s nuts,” said an engineer who helped design MCAS.

“I’m shocked,” said a safety analyst who scrutinized it.

“To me, it seems like somebody didn’t understand what they were doing,” said an engineer who assessed the system’s sensors.

MCAS Is Born

In 2012, the chief test pilot for the Max had a problem.

During the early development of the 737 Max, the pilot, Ray Craig, a silver-haired retired Navy airman, was trying out high-speed situations on a flight simulator, like maneuvers to avoid an obstacle or to escape a powerful vortex from another plane. While such moves might never be necessary for the pilot of a passenger plane, the F.A.A. requires that a jet handle well in those situations.

But the plane wasn’t flying smoothly, partly because of the Max’s bigger engines. To fix the issue, Boeing decided to use a piece of software. The system was meant to work in the background, so pilots effectively wouldn’t know it was there.

Mr. Craig, who had been with Boeing since 1988, didn’t like it, according to one person involved in the testing. An old-school pilot, he eschewed systems that take control from pilots and would have preferred an aerodynamic fix such as vortex generators, thin fins on the wings. But engineers who tested the Max design in a wind tunnel weren’t convinced they would work, the person said.

Mr. Craig relented. Such high-speed situations were so rare that he figured the software would never actually kick in.

To ensure it didn’t misfire, engineers initially designed MCAS to trigger when the plane exceeded at least two separate thresholds, according to three people who worked on the 737 Max. One involved the plane’s angle to the wind, and the other involved so-called G-force, or the force on the plane that typically comes from accelerating.

A Boeing 737-800 flight simulator. When Mr. Craig simulated high-speed maneuvers for the Max, it didn’t fly smoothly, so Boeing settled on MCAS for a fix.Aviation-Images.com, via Getty Images

A Boeing 737-800 flight simulator. When Mr. Craig simulated high-speed maneuvers for the Max, it didn’t fly smoothly, so Boeing settled on MCAS for a fix.Aviation-Images.com, via Getty Images
The Max would need to hit an exceedingly high G-force that passenger planes would probably never experience. For the jet’s angle, the system took data from the angle-of-attack sensor. The sensor, several inches long, is essentially a small wind vane affixed to the jet’s fuselage.

Adding More Power

On a rainy day in late January 2016, thousands of Boeing employees gathered at a runway next to the 737 factory in Renton, Wash. They cheered as the first Max, nicknamed the Spirit of Renton, lifted off for its maiden test flight.

“The flight was a success,” Ed Wilson, the new chief test pilot for the Max, said in a news release at the time. Mr. Wilson, who had tested Boeing fighter jets, had replaced Mr. Craig the previous year.

“The 737 Max just felt right in flight, giving us complete confidence that this airplane will meet our customers’ expectations,” he said.

But a few weeks later, Mr. Wilson and his co-pilot began noticing that something was off, according to a person with direct knowledge of the flights. The Max wasn’t handling well when nearing stalls at low speeds.

In a meeting at Boeing Field in Seattle, Mr. Wilson told engineers that the issue would need to be fixed. He and his co-pilot proposed MCAS, the person said.

The change didn’t elicit much debate in the group, which included just a handful of people. It was considered “a run-of-the-mill adjustment,” according to the person. Instead, the group mostly discussed the logistics of how MCAS would be used in the new scenarios.

“I don’t recall ever having any real debates over whether it was a good idea or not,” the person said.

The change proved pivotal. Expanding the use of MCAS to lower-speed situations required removing the G-force threshold. MCAS now needed to work at low speeds so G-force didn’t apply.

The change meant that a single angle-of-attack sensor was the lone guard against a misfire. Although modern 737 jets have two angle-of-attack sensors, the final version of MCAS took data from just one.

Ed Wilson, right, with his co-pilot, Craig Bomben, after the first Max test flight in 2016.Elaine Thompson/Associated Press

Ed Wilson, right, with his co-pilot, Craig Bomben, after the first Max test flight in 2016.Elaine Thompson/Associated Press
Using MCAS at lower speeds also required increasing the power of the system. When a plane is flying slowly, flight controls are less sensitive, and far more movement is needed to steer. Think of turning a car’s steering wheel at 20 miles an hour versus 70.

The original version of MCAS could move the stabilizer — the part of the tail that controls the vertical direction of the jet — a maximum of about 0.6 degrees in about 10 seconds. The new version could move the stabilizer up to 2.5 degrees in 10 seconds.

Test pilots aren’t responsible for dealing with the ramifications of such changes. Their job is to ensure the plane handles smoothly. Other colleagues are responsible for making the changes, and still others for assessing their impact on safety.

Boeing declined to say whether the changes had prompted a new internal safety analysis.

While the F.A.A. officials in charge of training didn’t know about the changes, another arm of the agency involved in certification did. But it did not conduct a safety analysis on the changes.

The F.A.A. had already approved the previous version of MCAS. And the agency’s rules didn’t require it to take a second look because the changes didn’t affect how the plane operated in extreme situations.

“The F.A.A. was aware of Boeing’s MCAS design during the certification of the 737 Max,” the agency said in a statement. “Consistent with regulatory requirements, the agency evaluated data and conducted flight tests within the normal flight envelope that included MCAS activation in low-speed stall and other flight conditions.”

‘External Events’

After engineers installed the second version of MCAS, Mr. Wilson and his co-pilot took the 737 Max for a spin.

The flights were uneventful. They tested two potential failures of MCAS: a high-speed maneuver in which the system doesn’t trigger, and a low-speed stall when it activates but then freezes. In both cases, the pilots were able to easily fly the jet, according to a person with knowledge of the flights.

In those flights, they did not test what would happen if MCAS activated as a result of a faulty angle-of-attack sensor — a problem in the two crashes.

Boeing engineers did consider such a possibility in their safety analysis of the original MCAS. They classified the event as “hazardous,” one rung below the most serious designation of catastrophic, according to two people. In regulatory-speak, it meant that MCAS could trigger erroneously less often than once in 10 million flight hours.

Boeing Max fuselages on their way to an assembly plant. The company declined to say whether it had conducted a new safety analysis of the revised MCAS.William Campbell/Corbis, via Getty Images

Boeing Max fuselages on their way to an assembly plant. The company declined to say whether it had conducted a new safety analysis of the revised MCAS.William Campbell/Corbis, via Getty Images
That probability may have underestimated the risk of so-called external events that have damaged sensors in the past, such as collisions with birds, bumps from ramp stairs or mechanics’ stepping on them. While part of the assessment considers such incidents, they are not included in the probability. Investigators suspect the angle-of-attack sensor was hit on the doomed Ethiopian Airlines flight in March.

Bird strikes on angle-of-attack sensors are relatively common.

A Times review of two F.A.A. databases found hundreds of reports of bent, cracked, sheared-off, poorly installed or otherwise malfunctioning angle-of-attack sensors on commercial aircraft over three decades.

Since 1990, one database has recorded 1,172 instances when birds — meadowlarks, geese, sandpipers, pelicans and turkey vultures, among others — damaged sensors of various kinds, with 122 strikes on angle-of-attack vanes. The other database showed 85 problems with angle-of-attack sensors on Boeing aircraft, including 38 on 737s since 1995.

And the public databases don’t necessarily capture the extent of incidents involving angle-of-attack sensors, since the F.A.A. has additional information. “I feel confidence in saying that there’s a lot more that were struck,” said Richard Dolbeer, a wildlife specialist who has spent over 20 years studying the issue at the United States Department of Agriculture, which tracks the issue for the F.A.A.

A Simple Request

On March 30, 2016, Mark Forkner, the Max’s chief technical pilot, sent an email to senior F.A.A. officials with a seemingly innocuous request: Would it be O.K. to remove MCAS from the pilot’s manual?

The officials, who helped determine pilot training needs, had been briefed on the original version of MCAS months earlier. Mr. Forkner and Boeing never mentioned to them that MCAS was in the midst of an overhaul, according to the three F.A.A. officials.

Under the impression that the system was relatively benign and rarely used, the F.A.A. eventually approved Mr. Forkner’s request, the three officials said.

Boeing wanted to limit changes to the Max, from previous versions of the 737. Anything major could have required airlines to spend millions of dollars on additional training. Boeing, facing competitive pressure from Airbus, tried to avoid that.

Mr. Forkner, a former F.A.A. employee, was at the front lines of this effort. As the chief technical pilot, he was the primary liaison with the F.A.A. on training and worked on the pilot’s manual.

“The pressure on us,” said Rick Ludtke, a cockpit designer on the Max, “was huge.”

“And that all got funneled through Mark,” Mr. Ludtke added. “And the pushback and resistance from the F.A.A. got funneled through Mark.”

Federal Aviation Administration officials said Boeing’s request to remove MCAS from the pilot’s manual didn’t mention that the system was being overhauled.Jason Redmond/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

Federal Aviation Administration officials said Boeing’s request to remove MCAS from the pilot’s manual didn’t mention that the system was being overhauled.Jason Redmond/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Like others, Mr. Forkner may have had an imperfect understanding of MCAS.

Technical pilots at Boeing like him previously flew planes regularly, two former employees said. “Then the company made a strategic change where they decided tech pilots would no longer be active pilots,” Mr. Ludtke said.

Mr. Forkner largely worked on flight simulators, which didn’t fully mimic MCAS.

It is unclear whether Mr. Forkner, now a pilot for Southwest Airlines, was aware of the changes to the system.

Mr. Forkner’s attorney, David Gerger, said his client did not mislead the F.A.A. “Mark is an Air Force veteran who put safety first and was transparent in his work,” Mr. Gerger said.

“In thousands of tests, nothing like this had ever happened,” he said. “Based on what he was told and what he knew, he never dreamed that it could.”

The F.A.A. group that worked with Mr. Forkner made some decisions based on an incomplete view of the system. It never tested a malfunctioning sensor, according to the three officials. It didn’t require additional training.

William Schubbe, a senior F.A.A. official who worked with the training group, told pilots and airlines in an April meeting in Washington, D.C., that Boeing had underplayed MCAS, according to a recording reviewed by The Times.

“The way the system was presented to the F.A.A.,” Mr. Schubbe said, “the Boeing Corporation said this thing is so transparent to the pilot that there’s no need to demonstrate any kind of failing.”

The F.A.A. officials involved in training weren’t the only ones operating with outdated information.

An April 2017 maintenance manual that Boeing provided to airlines refers to the original version of MCAS. By that point, Boeing had started delivering the planes. The current manual is updated.

Boeing continued to defend MCAS and its reliance on a single sensor after the first crash, involving Indonesia’s Lion Air.

At a tense meeting with the pilots’ union at American Airlines in November, Boeing executives dismissed concerns. “It’s been reported that it’s a single point failure, but it is not considered by design or certification a single point,” said Mike Sinnett, a Boeing vice president, according to a recording of the meeting.

His reasoning? The pilots were the backup.

“Because the function and the trained pilot work side by side and are part of the system,” he said.

Four months later, a second 737 Max crashed in Ethiopia. Within days, the Max was grounded around the world.

As part of the fix, Boeing has reworked MCAS to more closely resemble the first version. It will be less aggressive, and it will rely on two sensors.

Jack Nicas reported from Seattle, and Natalie Kitroeff, David Gelles and James Glanz from New York. Julie Creswell, Tiffany Hsu and Agustin Armendariz contributed reporting from New York. Kitty Bennett and Alain Delaquérière contributed research.

A version of this article appears in print on June 2, 2019, on Page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: The Late Change, And Fatal Flaws, In Boeing’s Plane. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
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It's called an AD. Every manufacturer issues them. I see them every day.

Issue one for the 737 Max, and it's called sensational.
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It's called an AD. Every manufacturer issues them. I see them every day.

Issue one for the 737 Max, and it's called sensational.
No manufacturer issues an Airworthiness Directive. The FAA issues them and compliance is a matter of law. Manufacturers may issue a service bulletin and that service bulletin may be referenced in the AD note but the two are separate.
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