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Old 04-18-2011, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Great Cornholio View Post
So a few ATC'rs fall asleep and within WEEKS they get an hour added to their min rest. No one died in any of the sleeping controller deals. More than 2 years ago 51 people DIED due to tired pilots, yet we do not have new rules yet.

I'm watching TV and the news has the ATC union and sleep experts saying that the controllers need more rest rules, and that they need to have circadian cycles taken into account and have less swapping from day to night shift for controllers. My question is why on earth aren't ALL of the pilot unions standing beside the ATC union with the sleep experts pushing for better rest rules for all of us on both sides of the radio??? This would be the perfect time to add the extra push to get these rules through and actually change the proposed new rules that allows us to fly more but end up less tired somehow.

Sorry for the rant...it just seems like a super huge missed opportunity for all pilot unions to push for a change.
I have been thinking the same thing.
The difference is controllers are paid by the taxpayers so the government does not mind increasing controller costs.

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Old 04-18-2011, 09:54 PM
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Are you freaking kidding me!?! Less than 1 week later after ATC falls asleep they have new rest rules! What does it take for us!!! We should all be up in arms after this latest announcement!!!
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already a thread

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ules-push.html
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:06 PM
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My bad. I've been out of the loop but still feel this should be part of the Majors thread. After all, we are all a part of this fight together!
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:16 PM
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Prior to this, the rest / duty rules were very simple. Nothing like flight crews.

- 1 day in 7 had to be off duty

- 8 hours between duty periods (split shifts notwithstanding)

- 10 hour max duty day

- Per contract, no more than 2 hours on position without a break


So, for these mid shifts, you could work 3pm-11pm on Monday, 7am-3pm on Tues, and come in that late evening at 11pm, and work until 7am the next morning.

It has exactly 8 hours rest between each, with 8 hour shifts.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:21 PM
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:26 PM
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i agree this opportunity completely should have been to brought light on both subjects, sadly as usual it will take another smoking hole to do it.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sinsilvia666 View Post
i agree this opportunity completely should have been to brought light on both subjects, sadly as usual it will take another smoking hole to do it.
I am very upset! I posted what I said on the Major forums and the powers that be decided it wasn't worthy of their time!
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Old 04-19-2011, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams View Post

It has exactly 8 hours rest between each, with 8 hour shifts.
I guess my real question is, do you think this is a regular thing to be scheduled for 8 hours between shifts as a controller? I know at the regional level of airlines at a company that is not even considered the bottom of the barrel, 8 hours or rest between shifts has become very common. I guess we as pilots are just getting used to it. So maybe science will change for us.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
I have been thinking the same thing.
The difference is controllers are paid by the taxpayers so the government does not mind increasing controller costs.

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No, the difference is that the controllers arnt privatized so theres no one lobbying against them. If the govenment didnt care about cost at all these towers would have been staffed with more than one controller since the very beginning.
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