FAA Rest Rules
12-21-2011, 07:49 AM
#61
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Cargo carriers were exempt from TCAS too...(at least at the beginning). You see, people don't ride on cargo planes.
In th 70's a cargo DC-8 crashed after takeoff out of SLC. News paper report (AP actually) said "There were no people on board".
In th 70's a cargo DC-8 crashed after takeoff out of SLC. News paper report (AP actually) said "There were no people on board".
12-21-2011, 08:12 AM
#63
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Originally Posted by Airway
Although I like to bid CDOs once in a while, they should have never been legal in the first place.
CDOs are quite specifically allowed (they are called Split Duty):
§ 117.15 Flight duty period: Split duty.
For an unaugmented operation only, if a flightcrew member is provided with a rest opportunity (an opportunity to sleep) in a suitable accommodation during his or her flight duty period, the time that the flightcrew member spends in the suitable accommodation is not part of that flightcrew member’s flight duty period if all of the following conditions are met:
(a) The rest opportunity is provided between the hours of 22:00 and 05:00 local time.
(b) The time spent in the suitable accommodation is at least 3 hours, measured from the time that the flightcrew member reaches the suitable accommodation.
(c) The rest opportunity is scheduled before the beginning of the flight duty period in which that rest opportunity is taken.
(d) The rest opportunity that the flightcrew member is actually provided may not be less than the rest opportunity that was scheduled.
(e) The rest opportunity is not provided until the first segment of the flight duty period has been completed.
(f) The combined time of the flight duty period and the rest opportunity provided in this section does not exceed 14 hours.
12-21-2011, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
I guess the lives of long haul cargo crews just aren't worth spit.... good job FAA
In Private Pilot ground school, back when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, the (very wise, very cynical) instructor summed up the FAR's by saying they were not written to protect pilots, but to protect everyone else from pilots.
12-21-2011, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon
So, now deadheads are counted towards the flight time at 1:1. So does that mean the the company must recognize the deadhead flights as 1:1 on the monthly flight time for pay purposes?
12-21-2011, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon
So, now deadheads are counted towards the flight time at 1:1. So does that mean the the company must recognize the deadhead flights as 1:1 on the monthly flight time for pay purposes?
12-21-2011, 08:30 AM
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(e) No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment for any reserve or flight duty period unless the flightcrew member is given a rest period of at least 10 consecutive hours immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty. The 10 hour rest period must provide the flightcrew member with a minimum of 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity.
(f) If a flightcrew member determines that a rest period under paragraph (e) of this section will not provide eight uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity, the flightcrew member must notify the certificate holder. The flightcrew member cannot report for the assigned flight duty period until he or she receives a rest period specified in paragraph (e) of this section.
(f) If a flightcrew member determines that a rest period under paragraph (e) of this section will not provide eight uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity, the flightcrew member must notify the certificate holder. The flightcrew member cannot report for the assigned flight duty period until he or she receives a rest period specified in paragraph (e) of this section.
It will be interesting to see how this is interpreted. Subpart (f) places the responsibility on the crewmember to have "eight uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity" during a legal 10 hour rest period which is required by subpart (e) to take place "immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period".
Commuting could get very interesting. It looks like we will have to be "off the grid" for at least 8 hours during the 10 hours prior to report.
Commuting to reserve with a 12-hour callout may be a thing of the past, if you plan on leaving a paper trail.
12-21-2011, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Milehighrabbi
It will be interesting to see how this is interpreted. Subpart (f) places the responsibility on the crewmember to have "eight uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity" during a legal 10 hour rest period which is required by subpart (e) to take place "immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period".
Commuting could get very interesting. It looks like we will have to be "off the grid" for at least 8 hours during the 10 hours prior to report.
Commuting to reserve with a 12-hour callout may be a thing of the past, if you plan on leaving a paper trail.
Commuting could get very interesting. It looks like we will have to be "off the grid" for at least 8 hours during the 10 hours prior to report.
Commuting to reserve with a 12-hour callout may be a thing of the past, if you plan on leaving a paper trail.
12-21-2011, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Milehighrabbi
It will be interesting to see how this is interpreted. Subpart (f) places the responsibility on the crewmember to have "eight uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity" during a legal 10 hour rest period which is required by subpart (e) to take place "immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period".
Commuting could get very interesting. It looks like we will have to be "off the grid" for at least 8 hours during the 10 hours prior to report.
Commuting to reserve with a 12-hour callout may be a thing of the past, if you plan on leaving a paper trail.
Commuting could get very interesting. It looks like we will have to be "off the grid" for at least 8 hours during the 10 hours prior to report.
Commuting to reserve with a 12-hour callout may be a thing of the past, if you plan on leaving a paper trail.
I think we're safe on that; "measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty"
The rest requirements in paragraph E only apply after you've finished a duty period. Most commuters are coming back after 24+ hours free from duty.
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