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Old 03-17-2014 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LKB111
Possible but not likely? I can't see how MH370 could fly so closely to SIA68 for a relatively lengthy period of time w/o military radar detecting two blips @India or @Pakistan.
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Old 03-17-2014 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LKB111
This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.
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Old 03-17-2014 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by abelenky
[...8<...]As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.
Would there be a scenario where the pilots could've been disabled w/o the pax's knowing about it? Considering Bill Palmer's scenario, AP flies on its own into open ocean, runs out of fuel, drops - by the time pax's realize what's going on and try using cell phones there is no comm - no cell towers in open ocean. Have to consider that most people go to sleep asap in red eye flights, and that the probability of someone with a sat phone is a possibility but how likely?
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Old 03-17-2014 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by abelenky
This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.
If they know how to put the xponder into standby and pull the ACARS circuit breaker, then it would not be illogical to assume that they also know how to pull the IFE circuit breaker.
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Old 03-17-2014 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LKB111
The 777 can land anywhere with 4k-5k feet of flat pavement that's at least 100 feet wide. (I think it takes 7k feet to take off again, though.)
The pavement has to be thick enough to hold a widebody...big-airport runways are probably 6-10feet thick concrete.

Originally Posted by LKB111
The aircraft alone is worth $300 million bucks. The passengers are worth untold amounts. Who knows what valuables were in cargo that were attractive to the hijackers?
So is the Mona Lisa...but who is going to buy it? There are a relatively small number of 777's in existence so there would be no way you could just re-paint it and use it.

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I do not believe it crashed.
I do at this point.

Originally Posted by LKB111
When planes crash, they automatically send out an emergency beacon picked up by satellite.
Not if it hit the water at high speed.

Originally Posted by LKB111
They leave massive debris fields. On water, they leave massive oil slicks that would have been detected by now.
The debris/oil slick would have dissipated in the open ocean, possibly within hours before anyone started looking.

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The only thing that baffles me about this scenario is why a demand for money hasn't been made yet. But then, maybe they need more time to get their ducks in a row on that
Because the perp(s) are fishfood.
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Old 03-17-2014 | 01:22 PM
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Acars and transponder were the two c/b's that had reporting capability, how many more c/b's were inop?
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Old 03-17-2014 | 01:26 PM
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Does anybody have access to the smoke/ fire checklist and can supply info into which busses are lost and equipment shed if they are actioned?.
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Old 03-17-2014 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by abelenky
This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.
Or nobody was watching their position because the pressurization had failed or been dumped. Dead people don't fight or make phone calls.
No claims of responsibility are made for failed missions to hijack a plane.
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Old 03-17-2014 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by abelenky
This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.
Assuming the aircraft was either hijacked or the pilots went rogue, the problem of controlling the passengers could be accomplished by opening the outflow valves.

Once the masks drop, the passengers are immobile. At 45,000 feet the oxygen supply is reduced, more than likely less than the 12 minutes advertised.

Re-pressurize when able.

Disclaimer, I'm not saying this is what happened.

Motive is the pertinent question in my view.

If suicide, why fly 7+ plus hours? Standard hijacking, where are the demands? If 9/11 style attack, they missed badly. Where is the wreckage?

Very strange.
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Old 03-17-2014 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cougar
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If suicide, why fly 7+ plus hours? Standard hijacking, where are the demands? If 9/11 style attack, they missed badly. Where is the wreckage?

Very strange.
Pointing at the ocean is suicide. Flying till the jet runs out of gas is Inshallah. Particularly if you have a full pack of cigarettes.

Threw the last part in to help the race baiters label me a racist.
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