Malaysian 777 missing
03-17-2014 | 06:37 PM
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The pavement has to be thick enough to hold a widebody...big-airport runways are probably 6-10feet thick concrete.
So is the Mona Lisa...but who is going to buy it? There are a relatively small number of 777's in existence so there would be no way you could just re-paint it and use it.
I do at this point.
Not if it hit the water at high speed.
The debris/oil slick would have dissipated in the open ocean, possibly within hours before anyone started looking.
Because the perp(s) are fishfood.
So is the Mona Lisa...but who is going to buy it? There are a relatively small number of 777's in existence so there would be no way you could just re-paint it and use it.
I do at this point.
Not if it hit the water at high speed.
The debris/oil slick would have dissipated in the open ocean, possibly within hours before anyone started looking.
Because the perp(s) are fishfood.
Thanks for indulging me and responding to my post.
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how/why this could have happened. It seems so strange that the person at the controls was able to do as much as he did and didn't have an end game. Conversely, if the end game was just to crash it, why would he fly for hours first?
As soon as I heard the transponder had been turned off, I believed it had to be something malicious. But even that doesn't add up with all the other evidence unless he could land it somewhere intact.
The Malaysians have to know much more than they're saying and that's super frustrating.
03-17-2014 | 06:38 PM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Closer to ~16 inches.
There's obviously a softer base underneath that, but not really a requirement for a single landing and maybe a departure.
The ~16" thickness is so that the runway doesn't have to be replaced so often. You could go much much thinner for a one-time use.
There's obviously a softer base underneath that, but not really a requirement for a single landing and maybe a departure.
The ~16" thickness is so that the runway doesn't have to be replaced so often. You could go much much thinner for a one-time use.
03-17-2014 | 06:41 PM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I would also like to point out the fact that if there was some type of emergency on FLT 370 the crew would most likely have turned the plane to that exact 90 degree turn that happened. Here is why:
1) they were half way between Malaysia & Vietnam...Where would you have gone if there was an emergency in the middle of the night, over the ocean, half way between your airline home country or fly to a foreign country?
2) the turn was the shortest route to countless airports that were long enough to land a triple 7...just google Malaysia airport map & Malaysia Airline own website
3) pilots would know there countries landmarks/Airport SID if there was in fact a emergency vs flying to Vietnam with out a radio/vfr charts handy
4) Both pilots were from the northern area of Malaysia...did they learn to fly in that area making them more familiar?
5) Turning back to their takeoff airport would have been a 180 turn and appears to be a longer distance then going to the northern Malaysia airports
6) What was the traffic volume out of their takeoff airport that time of night = possible mid air collision vs going to the less traffic airports up north.
7) Company maintenance facility on Malaysia
8) Passengers custom issues would be less because they had already been in Malaysia vs going to Vietnam pax would need to obtain visas to leave the airport to go to a hotel.
9) Dealing with 230 passengers the next day to move them to their final destination...logistic would be much easier out of Malaysia.
1) they were half way between Malaysia & Vietnam...Where would you have gone if there was an emergency in the middle of the night, over the ocean, half way between your airline home country or fly to a foreign country?
2) the turn was the shortest route to countless airports that were long enough to land a triple 7...just google Malaysia airport map & Malaysia Airline own website
3) pilots would know there countries landmarks/Airport SID if there was in fact a emergency vs flying to Vietnam with out a radio/vfr charts handy
4) Both pilots were from the northern area of Malaysia...did they learn to fly in that area making them more familiar?
5) Turning back to their takeoff airport would have been a 180 turn and appears to be a longer distance then going to the northern Malaysia airports
6) What was the traffic volume out of their takeoff airport that time of night = possible mid air collision vs going to the less traffic airports up north.
7) Company maintenance facility on Malaysia
8) Passengers custom issues would be less because they had already been in Malaysia vs going to Vietnam pax would need to obtain visas to leave the airport to go to a hotel.
9) Dealing with 230 passengers the next day to move them to their final destination...logistic would be much easier out of Malaysia.
03-17-2014 | 06:47 PM
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FTD vs Simulator
Not unless you've got $20 million or so and a lot more expertise than any one individual has.
What Cpt Shah had was an FTD (Flight Training Device), and presumably an uncertified one, at that.
He had access to a certified FTD at work, and to a real simulator. With 20,000 hours, he didn't NEED one at home; he was apparently a computer geek on the side.
I don't need to practice putting a weird flight plan into my FMS; I can do it in less than a minute if I have access to the charts (or even if I don't; the waypoints and airports are all stored in the FMS, anyway).
Checklists, on the other hand, are not secret, nor are they secured.
What Cpt Shah had was an FTD (Flight Training Device), and presumably an uncertified one, at that.
He had access to a certified FTD at work, and to a real simulator. With 20,000 hours, he didn't NEED one at home; he was apparently a computer geek on the side.
I don't need to practice putting a weird flight plan into my FMS; I can do it in less than a minute if I have access to the charts (or even if I don't; the waypoints and airports are all stored in the FMS, anyway).
Checklists, on the other hand, are not secret, nor are they secured.
03-17-2014 | 06:51 PM
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Ground yourselves in a little reality.
Pilot: Was that Boeing 777 diverted deliberately? Not necessarily - CNN.com
Pilot: Was that Boeing 777 diverted deliberately? Not necessarily - CNN.com
03-17-2014 | 07:06 PM
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03-17-2014 | 07:09 PM
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Ever hear of VatSim.net? Geeky to the core. Realtime simulation geeks playing what you and I do every night. Their website likely has all the manuals and checklists for most aircraft currently flying.
03-17-2014 | 07:09 PM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Hey, dead men tell no tales! 
You do it your way, I'll do it mine.
I'll bet I get a lot less complaints.
It's a little known fact that we 777 guys typically climb up to FL450, depressurize, put everyone to sleep, go back and have our way with the hotties, come back to the cockpit and repressurize, then continue on our way...
Happens all the time.
You do it your way, I'll do it mine.
I'll bet I get a lot less complaints.
It's a little known fact that we 777 guys typically climb up to FL450, depressurize, put everyone to sleep, go back and have our way with the hotties, come back to the cockpit and repressurize, then continue on our way...
Happens all the time.
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