Malaysian 777 missing
03-18-2014, 08:26 PM
#691
...Whatever It Is!
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,680
Originally Posted by rickair7777
If you know exactly where he's supposed to be and when.
If it's clear out.
If you acquire the correct set of blinky lights from miles away.
If he's not late.
If you can get catch up without resorting to afterburners.
Or perhaps you've done subsonic night VFR intercepts without GCI or radar?
Not saying it absolutely wouldn't work but the odds are low enough that nobody would think it was a good plan.
If it's clear out.
If you acquire the correct set of blinky lights from miles away.
If he's not late.
If you can get catch up without resorting to afterburners.
Or perhaps you've done subsonic night VFR intercepts without GCI or radar?
Not saying it absolutely wouldn't work but the odds are low enough that nobody would think it was a good plan.
03-18-2014, 09:13 PM
#693
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,292
Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
Does anyone screen new APC account applicants for credentials? For crying out loud! Some of these people are asking questions a private pilot should know. Clearly the AIM is a document that can be researched online. It's fine to lurk as a non-pilot, but the 3 page posts of nothing but elementary questions about SAR and other established procedures contribute nothing to the discussion.
Mods can anything be done here?
Mods can anything be done here?
But this thing we're talking about here...I don't mind if we provide some perspective to John Q, PPLs, or even reporters. They'll probably get better info here than than on tinfoilforums.com
03-18-2014, 10:21 PM
#695
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: falcon/Left
Posts: 35
With regard to the “secondary flight plan” programmed into the box 12 minutes before contact was loss:
What if the crew updated the “secondary flight plan” flight plan from their t/o airport as their return airport for an emergency to a new alternate emergency airport for the over open ocean water portion of their flight route.
If you look at a map of Malaysia (or even go to Malaysia Airlines own website) you will see that the best suitable alternate for the over the water portion of the flight was turning to the left 90 degrees not returning to the t/o airport. In the northern portion of Malaysia there are several airports that are suitable for a triple7 to land, are serviced by Malaysia Airline and are closer then then t/o airport or Vietnam (obviously until they got closer to Vietnam).
As for the Waypoints that the aircraft supposedly flew too between the water peninsula of Malaysia and Indonesia...were these waypoints the start of a STAR into one of the northern emergency airports they selected? Or were these waypoints programmed into the secondary flight plane for descent purposes only for an emergency landing from FL350 down to say the STAR waypoint altitude, safe altitude or approach altitude.
Meaning the crew was just thinking ahead for when they coasted out over the open ocean in the middle of the night.
What if the crew updated the “secondary flight plan” flight plan from their t/o airport as their return airport for an emergency to a new alternate emergency airport for the over open ocean water portion of their flight route.
If you look at a map of Malaysia (or even go to Malaysia Airlines own website) you will see that the best suitable alternate for the over the water portion of the flight was turning to the left 90 degrees not returning to the t/o airport. In the northern portion of Malaysia there are several airports that are suitable for a triple7 to land, are serviced by Malaysia Airline and are closer then then t/o airport or Vietnam (obviously until they got closer to Vietnam).
As for the Waypoints that the aircraft supposedly flew too between the water peninsula of Malaysia and Indonesia...were these waypoints the start of a STAR into one of the northern emergency airports they selected? Or were these waypoints programmed into the secondary flight plane for descent purposes only for an emergency landing from FL350 down to say the STAR waypoint altitude, safe altitude or approach altitude.
Meaning the crew was just thinking ahead for when they coasted out over the open ocean in the middle of the night.
03-18-2014, 10:27 PM
#696
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: French American
Posts: 417
Originally Posted by JJ21
With regard to the “secondary flight plan” programmed into the box 12 minutes before contact was loss:
What if the crew updated the “secondary flight plan” flight plan from their t/o airport as their return airport for an emergency to a new alternate emergency airport for the over open ocean water portion of their flight route.
What if the crew updated the “secondary flight plan” flight plan from their t/o airport as their return airport for an emergency to a new alternate emergency airport for the over open ocean water portion of their flight route.
03-18-2014, 10:38 PM
#697
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 21
Round two:
Is it conceivable on a 777 to have an electrical fire that produces enough smoke to take out the crew, and terminates power to the transponders, ACARS and presumably the communications transceivers without interrupting power to the A/P and other systems required to keep the A/C in the air? (FYI, not a reporter)
Is it conceivable on a 777 to have an electrical fire that produces enough smoke to take out the crew, and terminates power to the transponders, ACARS and presumably the communications transceivers without interrupting power to the A/P and other systems required to keep the A/C in the air? (FYI, not a reporter)
03-18-2014, 10:38 PM
#698
Are we there yet??!!
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,010
Originally Posted by JJ21
even the old guys are trolling for info.
Very few of you have flown in SE Asia (in particular KL) and have flown the 777, I happen to have done both (including KL many, many times).
Everything is supposition at this point until we have more solid info.
Even the NTSB guy on Fox the other night was spouting things that are not true about the 777.
Professionally speaking, put a cork in it.
03-18-2014, 10:53 PM
#699
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: falcon/Left
Posts: 35
I am saying did the crew put a NEW secondary flight plan in 12 mins before crossing open ocean towards Vietnam as a standard procedure as their t/o over open ocean was NOT the best airport to return "just incase" an emergency occurred.
12 mins before looks like it would have been before they coasted out.
To me putting a new secondary flight plan for a possible emergency ahead of time makes sense.
12 mins before looks like it would have been before they coasted out.
To me putting a new secondary flight plan for a possible emergency ahead of time makes sense.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bgmann
Foreign
25
01-30-2008 11:26 AM
