Malaysian 777 missing
03-17-2014, 07:14 PM
#601
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Timbo,
An, I'll bet on any given day, 30% of all crews, regardless of flying machine, exhibit one or more of Lemon's warning signs in the pax minds. Following the posts here and at PPRUNE would drive you nuts.
GF
An, I'll bet on any given day, 30% of all crews, regardless of flying machine, exhibit one or more of Lemon's warning signs in the pax minds. Following the posts here and at PPRUNE would drive you nuts.
GF
03-17-2014, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LKB111
Thanks for indulging me and responding to my post.
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how/why this could have happened. It seems so strange that the person at the controls was able to do as much as he did and didn't have an end game. Conversely, if the end game was just to crash it, why would he fly for hours first?
As soon as I heard the transponder had been turned off, I believed it had to be something malicious. But even that doesn't add up with all the other evidence unless he could land it somewhere intact.
The Malaysians have to know much more than they're saying and that's super frustrating.
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how/why this could have happened. It seems so strange that the person at the controls was able to do as much as he did and didn't have an end game. Conversely, if the end game was just to crash it, why would he fly for hours first?
As soon as I heard the transponder had been turned off, I believed it had to be something malicious. But even that doesn't add up with all the other evidence unless he could land it somewhere intact.
The Malaysians have to know much more than they're saying and that's super frustrating.
1) A fire or other malfunction of the avionics.
2.) A hijack or crew defection.
3.) A small bomb severed electrics and/or caused depressurization.
Just because there was no obvious end game, it does not mean there wasn't a planned end game. Any of the above three problems could have thrown a spanner in the works.
Landing "intact" would have been the least likely of end games.
03-17-2014, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LKB111
That's all well and good. But the transponder was turned off which throws the whole thing out the window.
Let me guess, you heard it on TV, so it must be true?
The azzclowns on TV have NO IDEA what happened up there, and it's becoming obvious the Malaysian Military doesn't even monitor it's radar at 2am on a Sunday morning. They want to point the finger at the pilots, because that solves all their problems. "The Pilots went Rouge!"
Really? Why? What are they going to gain, other than unemployment?
Well it must have been hijacked!!
Why? To fly it into the sea?
It was most likely a smoke/fire issue in the E/E bay, and they all died before it even hit the water.
03-17-2014, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Who told you that, and why would you believe them?
Let me guess, you heard it on TV, so it must be true?
The azzclowns on TV have NO IDEA what happened up there, and it's becoming obvious the Malaysian Military doesn't even monitor it's radar at 2am on a Sunday morning. They want to point the finger at the pilots, because that solves all their problems. "The Pilots went Rouge!"
Really? Why? What are they going to gain, other than unemployment?
Well it must have been hijacked!!
Why? To fly it into the sea?
It was most likely a smoke/fire issue in the E/E bay, and they all died before it even hit the water.
Let me guess, you heard it on TV, so it must be true?
The azzclowns on TV have NO IDEA what happened up there, and it's becoming obvious the Malaysian Military doesn't even monitor it's radar at 2am on a Sunday morning. They want to point the finger at the pilots, because that solves all their problems. "The Pilots went Rouge!"
Really? Why? What are they going to gain, other than unemployment?
Well it must have been hijacked!!
Why? To fly it into the sea?
It was most likely a smoke/fire issue in the E/E bay, and they all died before it even hit the water.
But also, wouldn't other aircraft have been able to "see" 370 if the transponder was on? I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the flight crew. I'm only *guessing* that someone with cockpit knowledge was at the helm.
03-17-2014, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by biggy
...but I haven't seen anything anywhere addressing what I've been wondering about, which is whether it's possible for another rogue aircraft could've done a planned intercept of the flight and coerced the pilots' actions either over a direct communication or via some sort of 'sleeper' agent on the plane? Assuming that's not a completely crazy question, would a second plane be able to travel closely enough along the evasive flightpath to remain a threat without arousing further radar suspicion?
Allegedly he'd gotten aways with this tactic for a while, but it was the supply trail that eventually gave U.S. Customs enough leads to look closer at South Florida jet operators and eventually he got nabbed. I doubt anyone in Malaysia was all that interested in anything going on at 3 a.m.
03-17-2014, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
Ever hear of VatSim.net? Geeky to the core. Realtime simulation geeks playing what you and I do every night. Their website likely has all the manuals and checklists for most aircraft currently flying.
I don't think I'll be buying MS Flight Simulator, though.
03-17-2014, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LKB111
Well, in part, yeah. But also, wouldn't other aircraft have been able to "see" 370 if the transponder was on?
I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the flight crew. I'm only *guessing* that someone with cockpit knowledge was at the helm.
But also, wouldn't other aircraft have been able to "see" 370 if the transponder was on? I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the flight crew. I'm only *guessing* that someone with cockpit knowledge was at the helm.
Gee...I wonder why they would rather point fingers at the pilots than admit this airframe had a maintenance history?
03-17-2014, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Air Malaysia is having financial issues. They don't subscribe to SatCom, or the higher quality (more expensive) ACARS data stream. I'll bet they don't do a whole lot of the required maintenance either.
Gee...I wonder why they would rather point fingers at the pilots than admit this airframe had a maintenance history?
Gee...I wonder why they would rather point fingers at the pilots than admit this airframe had a maintenance history?
03-17-2014, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Air Malaysia is having financial issues. They don't subscribe to SatCom, or the higher quality (more expensive) ACARS data stream. I'll bet they don't do a whole lot of the required maintenance either.
Gotcha.
Thanks again for letting this non-pro participate in the discussion. I've been very curious what commercial pilots think about this whole thing. Many of us "public folk" have just enough knowledge to be dangerous in terms of concocting unlikely to ridiculous scenarios.
Just hope the mystery will be solved and all this speculation will finally give way to remembering and honoring the 239 SOB.
03-17-2014, 08:13 PM
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still wonder about the oil rig worker who stated in a email to officials that he witnessed a "plane on fire" in the general area/time that FLt 370 was flying.
Bob Woodruff of NBC contacted his Japanese employer who conformed that the New Zealand citizen rig worker did work for them and that they were the ones that forwarded his email to the proper authorities in Malaysia. The oil rig operated stated that the aircraft fire lasted approx 10-15 seconds.
If you can see a aircraft flying at Fl 350 contrails during the day time why could this guy not see a aircraft on fire at night.
I have also read that an anther airline in the area was asked by ATC to try and contact Flt 370...that airliner told ATC they only hear a "buzzing noise"....could this be part of an electrical problem on Flt 370?
Bob Woodruff of NBC contacted his Japanese employer who conformed that the New Zealand citizen rig worker did work for them and that they were the ones that forwarded his email to the proper authorities in Malaysia. The oil rig operated stated that the aircraft fire lasted approx 10-15 seconds.
If you can see a aircraft flying at Fl 350 contrails during the day time why could this guy not see a aircraft on fire at night.
I have also read that an anther airline in the area was asked by ATC to try and contact Flt 370...that airliner told ATC they only hear a "buzzing noise"....could this be part of an electrical problem on Flt 370?
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