Malaysia Flight 17 (777) shot down!
07-21-2014, 04:01 PM
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Black box is now in international crash inspector hands. Does not look to be pryed open.
MH17 crash: Rebels hand over black boxes - CNN.com
Actual vidio of MH17 decending in flames. Sad for the families if they ever see this http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/...rticle_sidebar
MH17 crash: Rebels hand over black boxes - CNN.com
Actual vidio of MH17 decending in flames. Sad for the families if they ever see this http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/...rticle_sidebar
07-21-2014, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SikorskyTech
Black box is now in international crash inspector hands. Does not look to be pryed open.
MH17 crash: Rebels hand over black boxes - CNN.com
Actual vidio of MH17 decending in flames. Sad for the families if they ever see this How rebels in Ukraine built up their arsenal - CNN.com
MH17 crash: Rebels hand over black boxes - CNN.com
Actual vidio of MH17 decending in flames. Sad for the families if they ever see this How rebels in Ukraine built up their arsenal - CNN.com
07-21-2014, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SikorskyTech
Actual vidio of MH17 decending in flames.
07-21-2014, 07:19 PM
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From another engineer:
There was a shot of the tailcone, and where the horizontal stab-box once fit in it. A major portion of the right stab-box was in view.
Also quite easy to see was a vertical cut through the front beam of the box, and several inches in to the top and bottom plates.
If these were over-stress fractures, you would see telltale signs of pulling (fracture, where the metal gets thinner before it pops), or buckling. And the box would be bent.
None of that was evident. It looked like it was cut.
And, as FDXLAG implied, is how modern anti-aircraft missiles work. Expanding-rod warhead.
I think the Russians are carting off any major piece that might give evidence of the type of warhead mechanism the SA-11 has. When the Tu-154 was shot down by an SA-5 in the Ukraine several years ago, there was denial. The military was doing a live-fire SA-5 exercise at the time.
But when they found large ball-bearings peppering the wreckage, they knew. That was the kill mechanism for that missile.
There was a shot of the tailcone, and where the horizontal stab-box once fit in it. A major portion of the right stab-box was in view.
Also quite easy to see was a vertical cut through the front beam of the box, and several inches in to the top and bottom plates.
If these were over-stress fractures, you would see telltale signs of pulling (fracture, where the metal gets thinner before it pops), or buckling. And the box would be bent.
None of that was evident. It looked like it was cut.
And, as FDXLAG implied, is how modern anti-aircraft missiles work. Expanding-rod warhead.
I think the Russians are carting off any major piece that might give evidence of the type of warhead mechanism the SA-11 has. When the Tu-154 was shot down by an SA-5 in the Ukraine several years ago, there was denial. The military was doing a live-fire SA-5 exercise at the time.
But when they found large ball-bearings peppering the wreckage, they knew. That was the kill mechanism for that missile.
07-22-2014, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Just read a headline...Air India plane was 90 seconds in trail of the Malaysian plane...good thing they didn't shoot down BOTH of them!
It truly is an unfortunate tragedy & nothing probably will happen to the criminals who did it...
Only we can offer prayers for all aboard that flight...
RIP...
07-22-2014, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Half the world has Russian/Soviet SAMs. Hell, maybe even more than half.
Last edited by rickair7777; 07-22-2014 at 09:34 PM.
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