Did you make a phone call to pro stds? If not, you're just kicking the can down the road. If the person you're paired with is his having issues, you need make a call. You're not getting paid enough to do 2 jobs. And that goes for all ages, not just the "old guys".

Really? ProStan and the FDAC are both a JOKE. Paper tiger.

I'd be curious to see if they pass the, "being jerked around and inconvenienced" test. Also, the "are you willing to screw over your current employer to meet our never ending interview process," test.

They certainly found my limit. Despite the positives, such as the 7 on 7 off based where you live, I can't keep playing these ridiculous games.

I'm staying where I am. I appreciate the info and the arguments this thread has offered me over the months though!

I'm under the impression that both committees are voluntary and optional, meaning when push comes to shove they do not have authority to prevent someone from flying.

I've used both committees before, now I just refuse to fly with people I would consider unsafe or unqualified. It is my opinion that the union and the company are well aware of those that are a safety risk, and even using FDAC or Pro Standards is kicking the can down the road...although it certainly creates some drama and a lot of red tape, from my previous experience neither are worth my time.

Unfortunately NetJets has many problems which can not be resolved at this time. I've been reduced from caring deeply about this place to just making sure the problems at NetJets don't put me at risk. I've found doing anything else is a waste of energy. Culturally there is a lot in place to prevent things from improving.

SICs communicate with me frequently about wrongdoers, dangerous or elderly pilots they fly with. The stories and names are the same from 1, 3 and 5 years ago. Nothing has changed although many have complained, some officially.

When it comes down to it, I'm a pilot at NetJets. Mostly a PIC, sometimes an SIC. My job description is very limited -- my authority and responsibility is finite. In my 15 years here no matter how many surveys are handed out, no matter how much discussion is encouraged, nobody wants my opinion unless it is "yes sir, things are going great".

Wise person. Best of luck in your future.

Exactamundo.

I've been in the interview process since August here, offered class date in March. My understating of the scheduling was that the 7/7 was default, with the CC schedules being available based on bid and seniority.

On this site-"7/7 Schedule will remain as the default schedule and is available to all pilots in every fleet and seat. It will be joined by 4 new schedule types based on days worked during a 4-month period"

In my latest correspondence, I was told 7/7 was in no way a sure thing, and (paraphrasing) the 7/7 isn't guaranteed to any pilot, you'll be assigned a schedule type based on fleet and seat need.

Can anyone offer clarity?

If they don't get enough people bidding the CC72 and CC76 schedules (average 18 and 19 days a month, respectively), they can force up to a certain percentage in each fleet/seat to be on the CC72.

As a practical matter, enough guys are voluntarily on those schedules that they won't have to force anybody, but if you're in the bottom 10% (I believe) of a given fleet, it's a possibility.

Keep in mind also that you'll be on the 18-day Training schedule, followed by the CC72, from the day you start until you're able to bid onto the 7/7. As the bids are only done three times a year, you may not be able to get the 7/7 for a number of months after you start.

Adding to what 1900 said. I've never heard of someone being forced off the 7/7. It's contractually possible but not probable. You'll get the 7/7 if you want it. The trimester bids can suck if you miss the cut off. I missed it by one week on one of my new aircraft. Waiting till the next bid sucks.

Being assigned a fleet as a new hire is 100% correct. Look for Phenom, XL, 680, and maybe the Latitude. The Latitude should be offered to new hires soon.

Thanks for elaborating- Any idea if having a 680 type already would help placing me in that fleet?