In the PBS presentation, one question that was asked was, “is there an ‘any’ function available?”. The short answer was yes, if you are senior enough to hold a line, it will attempt to honor your requests. If it can’t, it goes into denial mode and builds a line using all pairings available. So why waive the 4 days off, unless you want to improve the pairings or credit, etc? It seems like it would be better to build your “dream line”, then a second group giving up something in a cascade

I’m not singing the PBS praises but yes Alaska line bidding is by far the worst way to bid I’ve ever heard. I’ve also heard that rsv is absolute murder unlike many places where it can actually go senior.

You mean you don't enjoy counting your "days off" on reserve as 24 hour off periods vs calendar days?

That's right. 3 days off between reserve blocks at alaska means 72 hours from RAP end to rap begins. not 3 calendar days.


How in the F is their contract so backwards in so many ways....... They have the absolute worst parts of line bidding and NONE of the good ones. NONE.

It’s 4 days off between work blocks so 6 on 4 off unless it’s transition then I’ve worked 6 on 1 off 6 on.



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I meant under the NavBlue pbs system, not current line builds.
Will it award 2+2 or 1+4, or 3+2, etc etc or is it looking for 4 days off between every individual trip?

We can fly up to 6 consecutive days. So if PBS needs to, it will build 6 days of flying in whichever fashion it needs to. Then we are required to have a minimum of 4(5) days off. So essentially we can do these back to back trips not to exceed 6 days.

Hope this clears it up for ya

You can, of course, change your limits so you don't do more than 4 days in a row... that is of course if you realize that by doing that you might have to lower 4 days off in between (or not actually.)

Bingo. Filler

You couldn't be more wrong or just naive about who you work for. In a world where you don't have Bendo you might be right. Right now the Company wants 6 day blocks the same as we have now. So it's not really PBS. The Union and the Company are arguing right now about this issue. What is the min days on for res????? Company says 6, Union says 3. Don't think for one minute just because you have the ability to input a value that the software doesn't already have a hard command build in. The fact is Bendo is mad that the gains aren't being seen with PBS. Navblue told Bendo you need a fleet of 300 before you'll see any gains. He asked why did we give them the 5hr average and better trip rig if the company didn't get any gains from PBS??? That's a matter of paying attention and understanding a mathematical world. This is another example of why we should never give on the 4 days off min. A senior Eastern pilot told me you can give money back but you NEVER give work rules back! Once their gone you'll never get them back. Ask the AA, DAL and UAL about their crappy work rules!

Chill out, I'm on your side.

And you can ask anyone who knows me about the phrase : "the company is putting all their eggs in the PBS basket"

And of course they lost. They were sold that PBS= less pilots and more flying but the fact is, without transition conflict,with our outdated non seniority based way of bidding for training,and paying for our own vacation (via a bank), all the gains aren't there. At all.

Any of us who have experience with PBS and airlines knew this long ago. They're still banking on it which is why upgrades and NH classes are so low. The grid will be red as F this summer when they realize PBS isn't the golden ticket they wanted. Not navblue anyway, AOS would've been a gigantic company win.