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Quote: first year is $90+ at the regionals … same as Frontier, after year 1 all of them bring you up to captain pay once you hit 750-850 hours which is ~$150/hour at all the regionals. Frontier you get your modest pay raise each year until you upgrade which is over 3 years right now

The only pros I see for frontier are living in base in FL and upgrading to captain in 3 years, but honestly anyone whose under 40 is going to take the job at a Legacy when they call you, likely in less than 3 years
As I suspected. Your hourly rate is wrong, you forgot the bonus (which I don’t recommend but alas), you forgot the days off when calculating hourly rate, you forgot premium and soft time, your upgrade timeline forgets that we didn’t hire anybody for 13 months. Good job!
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Quote: first year is $90+ at the regionals … same as Frontier, after year 1 all of them bring you up to captain pay once you hit 750-850 hours which is ~$150/hour at all the regionals. Frontier you get your modest pay raise each year until you upgrade which is over 3 years right now

The only pros I see for frontier are living in base in FL and upgrading to captain in 3 years, but honestly anyone whose under 40 is going to take the job at a Legacy when they call you, likely in less than 3 years
I only found the AA wholly own carriers doing the captain pay at 750 hours thing. None of Skywest, Republic, Mesa or Endeavor are doing that as far as I could see from their recruitment pages. There are bonus programs at both the regionals and Frontier, but they're probably better at the regionals. You're missing the 15% DC, vacation credit, as well as the stuff the above poster mentioned. Upgrade will likely drop to 2 years here in about 2-3 months.
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Quote: I only found the AA wholly own carriers doing the captain pay at 750 hours thing. None of Skywest, Republic, Mesa or Endeavor are doing that as far as I could see from their recruitment pages. There are bonus programs at both the regionals and Frontier, but they're probably better at the regionals. You're missing the 15% DC, vacation credit, as well as the stuff the above poster mentioned. Upgrade will likely drop to 2 years here in about 2-3 months.
Republic gives captain pay at 850 hours now. Don’t keep up with Mesa or the others as much.

DC is a huge plus at Frontier. Every other weekend goes critical on the captain side which is 175% pay at my regional.. every airline has their soft pay rules, holiday pay we had captains making 40K as line holders, some over 50K flying over their vacation. $213/hour captains here over 5 years. One LCA made over 70K in December. FO’s clearing 20K for holiday months is normal too.. we all got nice soft pay rules

This is why all the captains at top pay rate and able to flow within 2 years are staying. Money is too good, not to mention the bonuses they receive too.

line holder can easily get 16-18 days off a month at a WO if they please
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Quote: I only found the AA wholly own carriers doing the captain pay at 750 hours thing. None of Skywest, Republic, Mesa or Endeavor are doing that as far as I could see from their recruitment pages. There are bonus programs at both the regionals and Frontier, but they're probably better at the regionals. You're missing the 15% DC, vacation credit, as well as the stuff the above poster mentioned. Upgrade will likely drop to 2 years here in about 2-3 months.
Skywest offered it as I was on my way out. Not for all, but you had to have X number of hours and have a standing bid for first available upgrade (no base or equipment preference; we also had an “Any” option). That was prior to forced upgrade at 1,000 121 hours. I assume they kept that provision, I think it was part of that dumb TA from last fall. Or maybe it was one of the dozen emails with upgrade incentives.

Anyway I don’t personally know anyone that took it. I sure didn’t. The fact they had to threaten junior man for nearly a year and then actually do it, shows their pay and bonuses and upgrade incentives were enough. And now they’re metering hiring (ironic).
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Quote: Republic gives captain pay at 850 hours now. Don’t keep up with Mesa or the others as much.

DC is a huge plus at Frontier. Every other weekend goes critical on the captain side which is 175% pay at my regional.. every airline has their soft pay rules, holiday pay we had captains making 40K as line holders, some over 50K flying over their vacation. $213/hour captains here over 5 years. One LCA made over 70K in December. FO’s clearing 20K for holiday months is normal too.. we all got nice soft pay rules

This is why all the captains at top pay rate and able to flow within 2 years are staying. Money is too good, not to mention the bonuses they receive too.

line holder can easily get 16-18 days off a month at a WO if they please
Okay, great. Stay at your regional flying CRJs 4 legs a day. We don’t care.
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Quote: Republic gives captain pay at 850 hours now. Don’t keep up with Mesa or the others as much.

DC is a huge plus at Frontier. Every other weekend goes critical on the captain side which is 175% pay at my regional.. every airline has their soft pay rules, holiday pay we had captains making 40K as line holders, some over 50K flying over their vacation. $213/hour captains here over 5 years. One LCA made over 70K in December. FO’s clearing 20K for holiday months is normal too.. we all got nice soft pay rules

This is why all the captains at top pay rate and able to flow within 2 years are staying. Money is too good, not to mention the bonuses they receive too.

line holder can easily get 16-18 days off a month at a WO if they please
And that's the big thing...sounds like QOL is probably in the toilet at a lot of regionals with such short staffing. We're nowhere close to that although we have our moments when the weather goes down. Granted, we've moved to a very unfriendly schedule setup for commuters but for those who live near base the QOL is very good. So we get the choice between very decent pay or QOL, or a balance between the 2. For me vacation credit isn't about making money as it is getting the time off. 1 week of vacay turns into at least 2, if not close to 3 with good bidding strategy and a bit of luck.
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Quote: Okay, great. Stay at your regional flying CRJs 4 legs a day. We don’t care.
2-3 legs a day, 4 at worst.. beats the hell out of doing red eyes 💀

SNJ syndrome for riddle rats, with no flight benefits. Nice
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This dude really pitching regionals as equivalent or better than F9? GTFOH.

I'm pretty sad/angry at the state of affairs at F9, but suggesting that it's even a contest is laughable. This dude is an rj recruiter or something.
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Quote: 2-3 legs a day, 4 at worst.. beats the hell out of doing red eyes 💀

SNJ syndrome for riddle rats, with no flight benefits. Nice
Give me the single leg red eye in a freaking Airbus over flying 4 legs in a CRJ any day of the week. FOH.
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Quote: This dude really pitching regionals as equivalent or better than F9? GTFOH.

I'm pretty sad/angry at the state of affairs at F9, but suggesting that it's even a contest is laughable. This dude is an rj recruiter or something.
AA WO, Endeavor, Republic.. yes, in terms of pay. You’re out of touch - and nah, I’m on the first ticket out to a legacy when they call

the people I’ve talked to over there are like warm about Frontier.. I’m trying to justify applying but can’t since I don’t plan on being there long since a legacy is the goal. Would make a lot less $$ going there than staying
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