saltbae

not at all, just genuinely curious if the grass is greener over at Frontier. People slung mud first, and I responded. I haven’t heard anything revolutionary over at F9 in terms of QOL so my research is done. Not rubbing anything in, but debating to compare life at a regional, right now (not 2-5 years ago) vs frontier. You all should be mad at your management for giving out flight passes for $800 first year and have everyone jump you in order to non-rev somewhere. Don’t take it out on a low life regional pilot. We ride the same vans as you guys at some of our overnights…

I’ve asked similar questions on the legacy pages and the responses there vs here are a night and day difference.

OscarRomeo

Your first post in this thread began with “I don’t get why people are going to Frontier when they don’t have non-rev benefits”, so don’t be shocked that you weren’t welcomed with warm and fuzzy responses. I’m guessing you’re a troll with nothing better to do than try to stir up crap on the internet. If you’re not a troll then it’s a good thing you’re too good for our lowly ULCC because you wouldn’t fit in here anyway.

saltbae

Sensitive bunch over here… asking tough questions gets you all very defensive.. at least at the regionals we can admit when it sucks lol

Stayontarget

The problem is you are posting incorrect numbers in the case of Frontier and extreme examples in the case of ACMI/Regionals. And that’s okay since we can all see through that as a poor comparison but you haven’t shown an interest in getting that corrected information. That means either you are too ignorant to make an accurate comparison or you didn’t have an interest to begin with. So which is it?

But oddly one of your main points from the first post is travel benefits and one of the main reasons people get this job. If that is what is important to you yes F9 isn’t the best. We had them but they were taken away by other airlines from my understanding. Could be wrong there. However, that ranks about number 78 on my list of priorities and reasons I took this job. I became a pilot because I love flying, the rest is all gravy.

Anyway good luck on your career and I do mean that. Legacies are hiring multiple alcohol related offenses, multiple checkride failures, felons, multiple gear up landings, and SWA just lowered their mins to ATP as well. You should be able to get any job you want at this point.

shreddykreuger

If you’re so rich at your regional why are you so obsessed with non revving benefits? I’ve bought tickets wherever I want to go for years now bc dealing with non revving loads/salty gate agents at the legacies/etc etc isn’t worth it to save a couple hundred bucks. At least not to me. And yes, I sometimes fly class using credit card points. But that’s honestly not worth it to me either in most cases. I’ve done first class on all the legacies when I had benefits at my regional and honestly, not that big of a deal. But since you’re so sure that your regional job is better than stay there-no one is making you come to F9

OpenClimb

I think this guy is primarily a troll so I'm reluctant to answer, but sure, I can agree that if non-rev travel benefits are a high priority for you, Frontier probably isn't a good choice. Different strokes for different folks. I'm a bit of a homebody, so the last thing I want to do on my days off is travel via airliner. I haven't missed the sub-standard F9 travel benefits.

As for the rest of it--mostly inaccurate and cherrypicked financial data--the OP is misinformed. Sure there's probably a check airman or two making $300k+ at the regionals, but it isn't the norm and s/he is working hard to get there. Income like that at the regional level is unheard of until very recently and I wouldn't count on it continuing as the industry evolves. Compare this to even a sub-standard mainline carrier like F9 where my W2 has shown over $300k for the last 3 years and I'm solidly on reserve as a captain in Denver. If you're he!|-bent on comparing extremes, I know we have more than a handful involved with our training department who are $600k or over. And keep in mind, even our substandard 401k retirement program adds another 15% to that.

Folks who've followed my posts know that I'm about as far away from an F9 apologist as a person can be, but this nonsense that we're on par with a regional is crazy. It's really unwise and short-sighted to focus on years 1 thru 3 and reach the conclusion that a regional job is more desirable than a mainline job. I guess if you've got 3 years left in your career, then go for it. The numbers are in your favor. Carpe diem and all that. If you plan on outliving your gelled hairstyle and neon backpack, I'd suggest a longer time horizon for your number crunching! :-) If nothing else, where would you want to be stuck if the music stops on the land of unlimited opportunity that the airline industry has become?

Dragonslayer69

Your base assignment is considered “permanent” 45 days after your first day of training or after sim is complete, whichever occurs last. Correct?

I have not bid to change my initial base assignment. I’m happy with it. My IOE will be out of base. It is a series of day turns. Company is paying for two hotel stays, but I will pay the remainder. I am having trouble finding that in the contract. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

saltbae

See, $300K + on reserve as a captain is damn good reason to go to Frontier. Someone actually posted something accurate to give a good reason. Actual numbers vs a vague statement, thank you

CRJdriver2017

I haven’t seen Costa Rica. CUN and Punta Cana are the only I have seen. And Punta Cana seems on the rare side at least in MCO.

doz4dllrs

Saltbae is right about our terrible Nonrev. I put it at about a $20,000 loss in benefits for my family annually. Depending on your math that comes to an additional $15-$20 an hour behind the legacies.

He’s also right about F9 cutting us out at the knees selling unlimited flights passes for $600 bucks. Now my family can’t rely on standby on my own airline. Another loss in our benefits that needs to be considered.

The fact that Indigo won’t even let us Nonrev on its other carriers like Wizz and Volaris is a joke.

Stop by making excuses for this job and demand better.