Yes, and no. The Lion Air crew before the crash dealt with it. The one after obviously did not. If it happens often enough, how willing are you to bet that it won't happen again even to a well trained crew? It all happens quick at low altitude when the flaps go up - stick shaker, unreliable speed, etc.

Two good engines? Yes
Nose about 12* Up and ground going away visually? Yes

You’re flying disregard all extraneous data.

The mighty Lockheed Galaxy had faults in stall warning system. Book day, turn off both channels after verifying flight conditions. Happened to a lot of us on a touch and go. But it got a TWA crew with false warning in a L1011. Not identical system but similar. Not faulting the crew, in the least, everyone survived.

GF

Oooh, oooh don’t forget poisoning that’s big too! But that kinda goes with eating. Never mind.


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Well, the 737-800 fatality rate is not looking too good right now. perhaps a statistical glitch, perhaps not. Maybe there is only so many times you can stretch and re-engine a given design without the wheels coming off.

It has been a long time since I posted on here - but I have to jump in on this one -

I have flown in China for a very long time. I (as are many) are Western Captains from US, Australia, EU, etc. I reject your concept that airmanship is poor in China. Most are Western trained Captains. That said, I have flown with a lot (mostly) of very competent FO's over there. Yes, in the world of Asia in general, you are on Autopilot 98% of the time, which shouldn't be; but if you are following the company rules, then you are doing what they ask. Still, I have rarely found a Chinese FO that I didn't trust or even had a slight concern with. Maybe it was different in the "old days" but from the last 10 years, I do not see any safety issues flying there.

As to the issue of MCAS - this maybe a case of Boeing designing a system to help and turns out it doesn't - but the only way to know is let the investigations mature and we will get the news. That said, if I have a choice between a MAX and another type on similar routes, I will likely take the other type. I basically already do this anyway, because I will also take the Bus over the 737 just to be a little more comfortable either on the JS or in the back.

I lived it. Mesa hired at 200 hours, well technically it could have been as low as 190.

Some regionals hired between 400-800. Many held out for 1000 minimum.

Competitive mins were often 1000-1500, except for a few bottom feeders. More prior to the late '90s.

Take a second to check out the colossal ignorance and 9/11 conspiracy theories that are already out there about this accident...

That's five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Competitive is only a function of who else applied that day.

When I would have been in the market for regionals, good luck with under 2,500 hours.

The bar has been lowered, and those whining about ATP requirements have no clue how untenable and ridiculous their mewling really is.

When the race to the bottom really fell out, when the shiny jet syndrome disease spread like an oil slick, so many just had to be there they'd jump into sub-poverty wages with a wet commercial or pay to be there...as many thousands did, from CoEx to Gulfstream, to Comair. Entry level without ethics.

Overseas, low time pilots are the norm.

making history.

which is why its a lot more than "just" a misdiagnosed trim problem.




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